03-06-2002 01:27									#1
	Stealth Bomber with unlimited range Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

How can you make an air unit with unlimited range? I tried making the stealth bomber with unlimited range, but it wouldn't work. So I put the bomber as a land unit (like the ICBM), but when it attacks, it doesn't have the "fly by" attack animation like an air unit.

So my question is... how can you make an air unit with unlimited range, and with all the correct attack abilities and animations?

	03-06-2002 01:44									#2
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you cant. yet.

	03-06-2002 16:03									#3
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You could cheat and make it a ground unit with unlimited range. It could never be intercepted then, but it is a Stealth after all.

	03-06-2002 17:47									#4
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I did the same thing. Got all the way to the modern ages and saw that "unlimited range" didn't work. If they don't want bombers to u.r. that's one thing, but why cap the max range at 8? On a huge map 8 is almost worthless.

	10-06-2002 04:20									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Carver I did the same thing. Got all the way to the modern ages and saw that "unlimited range" didn't work. If they don't want bombers to u.r. that's one thing, but why cap the max range at 8? On a huge map 8 is almost worthless.

Especially for a Stealth Bomber. I read some specs that said it has a range of 6000 miles. A movement of 8 hardly does it justice.

	10-06-2002 09:25									#6
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But that involves refueling (which isn't implimented in Civ).
However, that's beyond the scope, so I would agree that the B2's range is nearly infinite.

	10-06-2002 18:09									#7
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wouldn't it be great to have a tech or a small wonder called 'in-air-refuelling' which would allow airplanes and bombers to have unlimited.

after all, this does exist in reality (i believe having read that the B52s started in US territory, flew all the way to the middle east, bombed, and flew back again).

it would need a checkbox called 'allow unlimited bombing range'.

how about to add that in the next civ3-patch? where should i post this request?

	10-06-2002 18:14									#8
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Chances are it will be allowed in the new 'real' scenario editor.

	10-06-2002 18:20									#9
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yep, but the scenario editor probably won't allow adding of such flags and options. or do you think it will allow some kind of scripting?

pseudo-code:
if (civA.discoveres(inAirRefuelling)) {
civA.stealthBomber.setRange(9999);
}

or something like that... well... that would be wonderful

	10-06-2002 22:01									#10
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No go, sorry. During the last chat with Firaxis, Jeff (or Mike? I don't remember) said that there would be no scripting and no events. So in other words, we can't do anything unless they add it.

	10-06-2002 23:32									#11
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Interesting idea, but what would the point of it be? I suppose it would be cool if there was a refueling plane maybe, but a lot of those kinds of things probably won't be in any version of Civ III.

	11-06-2002 06:26									#12
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Actually Trip, judging from the way I read the Chat Log, Firaxis still holds to the view that they want to include "event scripting" but not a specific "Scripting language" (as they believe it is merely a tool for adding new bugs!) I know this is splitting hairs, but I believe that the example posted below might well be within the capabilities of an events editor! I guess we won't know exactly what they are getting at UNTIL PtW comes out in October!!

Yours,
The_Aussie_Lurker.

	11-06-2002 06:32									#13
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quote: Originally posted by The_Aussie_Lurker Actually Trip, judging from the way I read the Chat Log, Firaxis still holds to the view that they want to include "event scripting" but not a specific "Scripting language" (as they believe it is merely a tool for adding new bugs!) I know this is splitting hairs, but I believe that the example posted below might well be within the capabilities of an events editor! I guess we won't know exactly what they are getting at UNTIL PtW comes out in October!! Yours, The_Aussie_Lurker.

By the sounds of it, all that will be out with the next patch. I think it was Jeff who mentioned that they want to have the scenario tools in place before PtW is available, in order to allow people to be fully acquainted with the possibilities.

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You're absolutely right, Willem. I wasn't sure, though, if they were going to give us the COMPLETE events editor until they released PtW. Though I admit that I'm less certain of this!

Yours,
The_Aussie_Lurker.

	11-06-2002 17:54									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Willem By the sounds of it, all that will be out with the next patch. I think it was Jeff who mentioned that they want to have the scenario tools in place before PtW is available, in order to allow people to be fully acquainted with the possibilities.

that would be great
allies declare war on germany as soon as it attacks, USA does NOT enter war until -let's say- japan triggers it (uhm... make pearl harbor a honey pot so the japs are tempted to do so... etc

i can think of hundreds of possible scenarios... some reality based ones, some just imaginative

[sorry, i'm thrilled by the idea ]

	12-06-2002 01:47									#16
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All I want is a decent map editor...

	17-06-2002 04:19									#17
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quote: Originally posted by sabrewolf wouldn't it be great to have a tech or a small wonder called 'in-air-refuelling' which would allow airplanes and bombers to have unlimited. after all, this does exist in reality (i believe having read that the B52s started in US territory, flew all the way to the middle east, bombed, and flew back again). :

I think an unlimited range bomber is a great idea, but once you have the ability to build a certain type of bomber beyond the B-17 that comes with the game (like the B-52 I have) then I think it should just be automatically allowed. I think a small wonder or extra tech is kind of a hassle for something I think should just be assumed to happen with certain units. Because in reality whenever long range bombers like B-52s or B-2s are used, such as in Afgahnistan, mid-air refueling is just routine. During Desert Storm it was routine even for fighters patroling the no fly zone for long periods of time to refuel in the air.

At any rate, the 8 as maximum range really pisses me off and I hope soon we will be able to edit this for the purposes of usefulness and realism.


Is there any set date yet for when that new patch is supposed to come out? Ive only heard sometime in June, but thats it. Im really curious to the fixes it brings to the "editor" that came with the game.

	17-06-2002 04:39									#18
	Re: Stealth Bomber with unlimited range Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

quote: Originally posted by GraveEatr So my question is... how can you make an air unit with unlimited range, and with all the correct attack abilities and animations?

You could edit the two FLCs together to produce the desired animation...

	18-06-2002 05:30									#19
	Re: Stealth Bomber with unlimited range Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

quote: Originally posted by GraveEatr How can you make an air unit with unlimited range? I tried making the stealth bomber with unlimited range, but it wouldn't work. So I put the bomber as a land unit (like the ICBM), but when it attacks, it doesn't have the "fly by" attack animation like an air unit. So my question is... how can you make an air unit with unlimited range, and with all the correct attack abilities and animations?

hi ,

one option is to give it a movement of two , one to get near the target "rebase" , and a second to bomb the target , ....

have a nice day