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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Ok, Jon. I hate to do this, but I have to say that if it had been a Tribe of Gays, maybe you would have some empathy.

WOW...and SlowwHand`s gone strait for the throat.

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This tribe of gays do they come from Brighton?

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quote: Originally posted by red_jon Yes, that's a good way of refuting an argument. So there aren't millions of Sept 11 t-shirts, models, caps, etc?

You seem to be playing down the impact of the destruction of the WTC by pointing out that people are now able to sell Sept 11 T-shirts and caps. Do you really think this makes up for the loss in the slightest? Unbelievable.

quote: On the scale that those African people did? Those cattle are worth a lot to them, I hardly think many Americans will donate such a large proportion of their goods.

Your anti-american bigotry is painfully obvious. Slowwhand posts a great thread pointing out the generous contribution of this tribe, and you use it as an excuse to bash americans.

quote: So American lives are worth more than others? No nation can claim to be the centre of the world. The arrogance astounds me.

Did I say american lives are worth more than others? No. But america being the center of the world means that disasters here have a much greater effect on the world. America is the number one superpower, its undeniable. Your arrogance and ignorance disgust me.

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quote: Originally posted by BlackStone WOW...and SlowwHand`s gone strait for the throat.

Yeah, but you forget, I'm Texan. Texans are crass and boorish people of the more Southern persuasion, and don't care about anything.

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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Yeah, but you forget, I'm Texan. Texans are crass and boorish people of the more Southern persuasion, and don't care about anything.

We have people like that they live in a town called Newcastle.

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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia You seem to be playing down the impact of the destruction of the WTC by pointing out that people are now able to sell Sept 11 T-shirts and caps. Do you really think this makes up for the loss in the slightest? Unbelievable.

Of course it doesn't. But the US is not the only nation to have experienced such loss.

quote: Your anti-american bigotry is painfully obvious. Slowwhand posts a great thread pointing out the generous contribution of this tribe, and you use it as an excuse to bash americans.

I have nothing against Americans, but I do have several qualms with the US government and its actions.
The African people experience huge suffering, the article seems wrong. I have never said the deaths of those in Sept 11 where anything other than tragic, but it shouldn't make any difference what nationality they are.

quote: Did I say american lives are worth more than others? No. But america being the center of the world means that disasters here have a much greater effect on the world. America is the number one superpower, its undeniable. Your arrogance and ignorance disgust me.

Maybe because the US government (and the British gov) then goes and bombs the hell out of another country.

And yeah, copying my insults makes you sound really intelligent

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Trippin' ! My paternal grandparents lived in Newcastle, Texas.

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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Yeah, but you forget, I'm Texan. Texans are crass and boorish people of the more Southern persuasion, and don't care about anything.

I like the Texans on poly

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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Trippin' ! My paternal grandparents lived in Newcastle, Texas.

...its happening all over again.....

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quote: Originally posted by red_jon Of course it doesn't. But the US is not the only nation to have experienced such loss.

Did anyone say it was? How is this fact relevant?

quote: I have nothing against Americans, but I do have several qualms with the US government and its actions. The African people experience huge suffering, the article seems wrong. I have never said the deaths of those in Sept 11 where anything other than tragic, but it shouldn't make any difference what nationality they are.

You have plenty against americans, every chance you get you take a shot at them. Many of your insults are directed at the american people, dont try denying it.

quote: Maybe because the US government (and the British gov) then goes and bombs the hell out of another country.

Now you suddenly realize that the US is #1. Took you long enough didnt it?

quote: And yeah, copying my insults makes you sound really intelligent

If all you can do is whine that Im a copycat then its time to grow up.

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What red_jon seems to have missed is that these people probably didn't give a cows ass about the nationality of the dead. It's just plain compassion.
Try it, you might like it

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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia You have plenty against americans, every chance you get you take a shot at them. Many of your insults are directed at the american people, dont try denying it.

Please give an example. I like more American people than I dislike. I despise the US government though. They are totally different things.

quote: Now you suddenly realize that the US is #1. Took you long enough didnt it?

And you lecture me about arrogance? You are unbelievably stupid, you know that?

quote: If all you can do is whine that Im a copycat then its time to grow up.

Mmhmm. By calling me ignorant?

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As long as Jon like Poly Texans, I don't care about the rest of the country. They're on their own.

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quote: Originally posted by Combat Ingrid What red_jon seems to have missed is that these people probably didn't give a cows ass about the nationality of the dead. It's just plain compassion. Try it, you might like it

Thats the sentiment that I would like to take from this. In the back of my head I have a little voice saying "some wiley old chief has worked out how much benefit could be draw from the US good will that it will create" but I shove that cynical cr@p back, because I am sure that they meant it the way most of the poster have said.

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quote: Originally posted by red_jon Please give an example. I like more American people than I dislike. I despise the US government though. They are totally different things.

Do you think I save all your posts on my HD or something? We both know what youve said in the past, be a man and admit it.

quote: And you lecture me about arrogance? You are unbelievably stupid, you know that?

Childish name-calling...

quote: Mmhmm. By calling me ignorant?

Anyone who denies that the US is the #1 superpower is obviously ignorant, what can I say.

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quote: Originally posted by BlackStone Thats the sentiment that I would like to take from this. In the back of my head I have a little voice saying "some wiley old chief has worked out how much benefit could be draw from the US good will that it will create" but I shove that cynical cr@p back, because I am sure that they meant it the way most of the poster have said.

Of course the sentiment is nice, it's just the way it's been done seems warped. It feels like it should be the other way around (that's for all westerners, not just Americans).

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quote: Originally posted by red_jon The fact that these impoverished people gave away their cattle to the most affluent nation on Earth makes me feel sick.

And the fact that you're mocking the universal ability of humans for compassion and empathy makes ME sick.

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The US is the only superpower, but that does not necessarily mean it is no.1.

I actually don't deliberately insult Americans as a race, I wouldn't want to offend American posters I like. I do make jokes and I insult the US government sure.

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Ok. Hell. This was supposed to give attention to some people of good heart.
If Jon, Osweld, or anyone wants to ramble on, just let them.

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quote: Originally posted by red_jon Of course the sentiment is nice, it's just the way it's been done seems warped. It feels like it should be the other way around (that's for all westerners, not just Americans).

America helps africans in many ways, but africans have to take some responsibility for their plight. Much of western aid is seized by corrupt despots.

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IMO, what Red_John seems to have missed is the fact that it's not a case of nationality playing a role.

Many of those who died on September 11th at the WTC were not Americans.

-=Vel=-

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quote: Originally posted by Faeelin And the fact that you're mocking the universal ability of humans for compassion and empathy makes ME sick.

How am I mocking it?! I haven't joked about this matter. I have explained the reason I believe this to be wrong.

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Not that I lump Jon in with Osweld. Osweld seems to really have a problem with the States, and that's ok. He has a right to think what he wants.

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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia America helps africans in many ways, but africans have to take some responsibility for their plight. Much of western aid is seized by corrupt despots.

I agree. But we're confusing governments and people again.

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quote: Originally posted by red_jon How am I mocking it?! I haven't joked about this matter. I have explained the reason I believe this to be wrong.

If you weren't mocking it, I apologize. But that's the impression I received from the comments about how the article was "wrong".

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quote: Originally posted by Faeelin If you weren't mocking it, I apologize. But that's the impression I received from the comments about how the article was "wrong".

Oh, well that's not the impression I meant to give, I apologies if that's how it came accross.

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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Did you read the friggin' article? Did I say Africa had no problems?

I read the article, but my post was not in response the the article. (And, by the way, I did mention that the Masai where being compassionate.)

My post was in reply to your only comment on the article " Kenyan Tribe Learns Of Severity of 9-11" which, to me, comes off as incredibly pompous and condescending, and implies that 9/11 should actually a signifigant event to them - even though there are problems a hundred times worse on their own continent.



But I'll admit that I may of been over reacting... I'm not a morning person.

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quote: Originally posted by Osweld But I'll admit that I may of been over reacting... I'm not a morning person.

It's 00.40 here

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Osweld, it WAS severe. Even Kenyan Tribe members recognize that fact.
Maybe they gave the cows in the afternoon though.