05-06-2002 13:37									#1
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i missed out on whether there was a resolution to the problem of a lot of people feeling a bit gypped by the collectors edition-- i know i was a bit unhappy with the contents (which, unfortunately, makes me never want to purchase a collector's edition ever again~)...

i was wondering. if there was no resolution, and if there is high enough demand, would firaxis/infogrames consider granting those with proof of purchase from the Collector's Tin a discount on the expansion pack?

	05-06-2002 13:44									#2
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Probably not. This would be a logistical nightmare.

Blizzard collectors editions are always worth every extra cent. I wish more companies would learn from them. Their games are always well tested, and never rushed to release, and the collectors editions are amazing.

Not that I'm ripping on Civ3, I think its a good game too. But the expansion pack wasn't worth it. I mean, a video of Sid Meier being inducted into the Hall of Fame is not really what people want. I myself purchased the normal edition, and I'm glad I did. I have no plans of purchasing the collectors edition of PTW.

	05-06-2002 13:46									#3
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well perhaps you could get a discount if you showed your tin at the store
what other proof of purchase would be needed?

	05-06-2002 13:50									#4
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No store would accept that kind of an arragement. They don't want the responsibility of checking that kind of stuff. Any kind of price cut would probably be in the form of a mail in rebate. I think it would be nice, but pretty unlikely. I'm not getting the collectors edition of PTW anyway.

Warcraft III is another matter. I *must* get the collectors edition of that.

	05-06-2002 16:44									#5
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The whole fiasco with the Civ3 collectors edition has left such a bad taste in my mouth that I will never buy another collector's edition of anything again. Never never..............


Now if they included a dancing girl with the PTW collectors tin then I might consider....................

	05-06-2002 17:42									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed i missed out on whether there was a resolution to the problem of a lot of people feeling a bit gypped by the collectors edition-- i know i was a bit unhappy with the contents (which, unfortunately, makes me never want to purchase a collector's edition ever again~)...

I do not understand and have no empathy for anyone that feels "ripped off" by the collectors tin. They told you exactly what you were getting, it wasn't a big mystery. Personally, I never go for such gimmicks.

	05-06-2002 17:47									#7
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The collector's tin didn't cost any more than the regular box, i don't see why people complain about it.

	05-06-2002 18:20									#8
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quote: Originally posted by civman2000 The collector's tin didn't cost any more than the regular box, i don't see why people complain about it.

That may be the case now but at the time of release the collectors edition was $10 more than the basic game.

	05-06-2002 18:36									#9
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And for people in the USA and many other countries 10$ isn't considered money .

	05-06-2002 20:30									#10
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for a college student, us$10 can mean one meal not at the dining hall.

that's pretty f*cking important.

	05-06-2002 20:32									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Solver And for people in the USA and many other countries 10$ isn't considered money .

But this is precisely the problem my friend and it is not limited to just the usa. Man is evil and greedy

He will do anything to get what he wants. By selling garbage for $10 more than the regular stuff he hopes to sucker in enough people to make it profitable for him. He hopes that people will just say oh it's only another $10 I might as well buy the Limited Edition. I made that mistake. I have learned from it. I will not be fooled by man's evil greed again.

There was a time when a limited edition of a product was offered, the customer actually got something for his money. Today however, it is all about making money and hoping the public will be fooled into buying crap because it is "only" $10 more if you get my meaning.

	06-06-2002 11:42									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed for a college student, us$10 can mean one meal not at the dining hall. that's pretty f*cking important.

Just think. Paying $10 for the Collector's Edition saved you from eating dining hall food. That in itself should make the purchase worth it, even if the actual stuff that you paid for was worthless.

	06-06-2002 22:06									#13
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Um, let me ask a question about this Collector's Edition.

Did it have printed on the box something called "Contents" or something similar?

I have seen good Collector's Editions. Pool of Radiance had a novel in it.

	07-06-2002 00:00									#14
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quote: Originally posted by dunk999 Um, let me ask a question about this Collector's Edition. Did it have printed on the box something called "Contents" or something similar? I have seen good Collector's Editions. Pool of Radiance had a novel in it.

I'm not sure about this. But I know that the contents of the CE were widely known at many internet sites before it was released. Basically, those who spent the extra money knew beforehand what they were getting.

They shouldn't b*tch about it, when they knew full well what they were getting.

	07-06-2002 02:47									#15
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quote: They told you exactly what you were getting,

quote: They shouldn't b*tch about it, when they knew full well what they were getting.

Bullshit. There were plenty of tins that didn't have everything. I for one, NEVER got the Designer Notes (did anyone?) or that signed note by Sid.

The tin was nice though .

	07-06-2002 05:08									#16
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quote: Originally posted by dunk999 Did it have printed on the box something called "Contents" or something similar?

Yes and it was inaccurate. I'm just upset that I ordered it online. Imran said they might all be reserved by the date of release.

	07-06-2002 05:11									#17
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Don't push it on me, man .

	07-06-2002 05:15									#18
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It just broke the streak I had with TBS games with Sid's name on them. Now, of all Sid's TBS games, which is the most disappointing?

Anyway, I would have bought the CE no matter what, I would just rather have went to EB to purchase it.

	07-06-2002 11:07									#19
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The collectors tin contents were labelled in the loosest sense possible.
The designers notes (generally expected to be notes on how they designed the game) turned out to be a note from the designer (basically a cover-letter for the game).
The fold-out tech tree was of worse quality than if I had printed a screenshot from the game... and it looked as though that was exactly what they had done.

The tin was nice though. (although I wish they'd spent whatever extra for the 2nd cd and the other stuff, and just made the tin better quality).

	07-06-2002 11:26									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Solver And for people in the USA and many other countries 10$ isn't considered money .

Since you don't seem to value money; will you please send me 10$?

Thanks.

BTW, if you can spare more, I'll take it!

	07-06-2002 18:50									#21
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I thought the tin was good quality. My mother likes collecting them and the Civ3 tin is better than many of those.

	07-06-2002 18:57									#22
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http://www.theonion.com/onion3821/general_mills.html

Here's a link I think is applicable here.

I'm also not too kind towards people who reserve copies of things before they're released and complain about them. I think it's funny that so many people here complain about the "Collector's Tin".

	08-06-2002 02:45									#23
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I got the tin. I don't feel cheated. I just wish they'd done the tech tree in the same quality as with SMAC.

BTW, I hope they release a better tech tree with PTW. SMACX came with an updated one, so why can't PTW?

BTW2, why are they so cheap that they can't include a tech tree with the regular box, when they made a better quality one for regular SMAC (which didn't have a LE).

	08-06-2002 04:53									#24
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Switch, I'm thinking the different publishers (EA for SMAC and Infrograms for Civ3) had something to do with it. Maybe there was a budget for how much the goodies inside the box had to be.

	08-06-2002 05:01									#25
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True. Too bad Infogrames bought the rights to the Civ title and not EA. Or, a t least I think that's how it goes. The tech tree for SMAC(X) was really good, and you oculd pin it up on your wall for easy reference.

	08-06-2002 05:09									#26
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Many people really put down EA but they are pretty good in terms of loose release dates and goodies inside the boxes.

	08-06-2002 11:16									#27
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yeah, EA doesn't know how to develop games on their own, but they know how to publish. and when they publish other people's games, they do it rather well.

unfortunately, infogrames does not do that. they don't know how to make games, and they don't know how to publish well.

	09-06-2002 00:22									#28
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Doesn't EA make games? They have their whole EA Sports devision, and they made the Need For Speed series. I'd say EA makes some pretty good games.

	09-06-2002 00:24									#29
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EA Sports is only closely connected to EA by name. EA Sports' relationship with EA is no different that Origin Systems, Inc or Maxis.

	09-06-2002 01:45									#30
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quote: Originally posted by aebrahim I'm not sure about this. But I know that the contents of the CE were widely known at many internet sites before it was released. Basically, those who spent the extra money knew beforehand what they were getting. They shouldn't b*tch about it, when they knew full well what they were getting.

Many people pre-ordered the CE based upon what Firaxis and Infogrames said would be in the CE. They only found out right before the game was released that the CE would not contain many of the items and promotional things which were originally promised to them. Fortunately, I was not one of the people who got suckered into this but that doesn't stop me from empathizing with them.