06-06-2002 23:54									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Imp. Montezuma Spreading of Kypchaks

Montezuma, I believe you're map has several errors in it. It shows your central Asian civ conquering Germany, France, northern Italy, eastern Spain, and southern England. That simply wouldn't be correct.

	07-06-2002 00:43									#32
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I like the opportunity to play as and against different civs. That way you don't get burned out as fast.

There are plenty of quality civs available. As more are allowed, Firaxis would have to come up with things to make them different; whether it is more civ traits or more than 2 traits per civ, or other thing(s).

	07-06-2002 00:49									#33
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quote: Originally posted by kring I like the opportunity to play as and against different civs. That way you don't get burned out as fast. There are plenty of quality civs available. As more are allowed, Firaxis would have to come up with things to make them different; whether it is more civ traits or more than 2 traits per civ, or other thing(s).

hi ,

it could be that they "burn" you up , ......

have a nice day

	07-06-2002 01:07									#34
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It gets to the point where you know the strengths and weaknesses of the different civs, and how their leaders will behave, as to be not challenging.

I know Japan will sneak attack me, even if I am vastly superior in military numbers and weaponry. I don't know (yet) how the Spanish will do.

	07-06-2002 01:12									#35
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quote: Originally posted by kring It gets to the point where you know the strengths and weaknesses of the different civs, and how their leaders will behave, as to be not challenging. I know Japan will sneak attack me, even if I am vastly superior in military numbers and weaponry. I don't know (yet) how the Spanish will do.

hi ,

the mongols shall 9 out of 10 do the same , .......

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	07-06-2002 04:25									#36
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quote: Originally posted by panag hi , the mongols shall 9 out of 10 do the same , ....... have a nice day

We shall see. Maybe they will; maybe they won't. I was shocked when India atttacked me one game. Again, my true military was stronger than his.

Still, in MP, things will change because human intelligence/stupidity/emotions will dictate the individual civ responses.

	07-06-2002 07:22									#37
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2 MrWhereItsAt
I'm understand. Similiar an unsimiliar. Aren't west-europeans similiar an unsimiliar?
Common Roman heritidge West Curch (Catholic, after Reformation protestant) does similiar. But fortune, mentality is unsimiliar.
Mongols, Kypchaks, Scythians, Parthians is very unsimiliar.

2 Oerdin

It's only _spreading_ not conquering or power map. After defeating by Mongols groups of Kypchaks got to Pannonia, Anatolia, Bulgaria-on-Balcans, Lituania, Poland, Southern Germany, Dalmatia, Egipt (mameluks), India.
Captured nomads selled by Mongols on markets in Europe and Middle East. They was bad slaves but good warriors. They fast promoted as warlords in Egipt, Venete, Spain, Southern German Counties, England. May be if You are American or Englishman You had drop of kypchak blood.
Areal during they Golden Age are steppes from Carpathes
Mountains to Altay Mountains, from Amu-Daria river to Tura river Northern Black Sea lands, Caspian Sea northern borders, from Central-Asian deserts up to Siberia taiga. Proof are in archaeology, toponymica, oral history, records by bysantines, arabs, armenians, persians, russians, chineses et cetera.

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	07-06-2002 07:29									#38
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We should dig out that poll conducted by Locutus.

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Found it.
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=28932

Final count before the poll ended:

# Civilizations Points Votes %
1. Spanish 3131 181 8,2%
2. Mongols 2831 167 7,4%
3. Arab 2665 160 7,0%
4. Inca 2533 163 6,6%
5. Vikings 2368 147 6,2%
6. Turks/Ottomans 2304 149 6,0%
7. Phoenicians/Carthaginians 1489 100 3,9%
8. Maya 1314 95 3,4%
9. Celts 1291 88 3,4%
10. Portuguese 1228 82 3,2%
11. Dutch 1178 86 3,1%
12. Hebrew/Israelis 1108 78 2,9%
13. Ethiopians/Aksumites 956 62 2,5%
14. Poles 943 59 2,5%
15. Koreans 799 48 2,1%
16. Khmer 662 44 1,7%
17. Byzantines 660 44 1,7%
18. Polynesians 654 48 1,7%
19. Mali(ans) 560 41 1,5%
20. Austrians/Austro-Hungarians 495 32 1,3%
21. Huns 386 26 1,0%
22. Inuit/Eskimos/Aleutians 374 27 1,0%
23. Assyrians 340 24 0,9%
24. Australians 340 24 0,9%
25. Sioux/Dakota 308 29 0,8%
26. (Australian) Aborigines 298 20 0,8%
27. Magyar/Hungarians 268 21 0,7%
28. Siamese/Thai 262 20 0,7%
29. Brazilians 250 18 0,7%
30. Scots 250 17 0,7%
31. Swedes 241 16 0,6%
32. Tibetans 226 18 0,6%
33. Slavs 200 14 0,5%
34. Canadians 180 12 0,5%
35. Annam/Vietnamese 177 14 0,5%
36. Sumerians 175 13 0,5%
37. Czech 168 11 0,4%
38. Apache 159 12 0,4%
39. Serbs 145 8 0,4%
40. Neanderthals 143 8 0,4%

	07-06-2002 07:50									#40
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I can't believe it! The Neanderthals got more votes than the Finns?

	07-06-2002 07:54									#41
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There were some rather illogical voters and voting trends.

Some of us still fondly remember the "Polish Invasion".

That was when an enormous number of Poles signed up for Apolyton, voted for the Poles, and never posted again.

It resulted in a scandal and in the end, a recount....

A link to the height of that scandal:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...5&pagenumber=17

Last edited by ranskaldan on 07-06-2002 at 08:07

	07-06-2002 08:10									#42
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those were good times.

	07-06-2002 08:10									#43
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Indeed.

Poles 20!

	07-06-2002 10:27									#44
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1. Byzantium
2. Thai/Siam
3. Tibetans
4. Mayans
5. Incas
6. Dutch
7. Irish/Scottish (this is of course, assuming that the gauls stay the gauls and the term 'celt' isn't adapted. In which case, we need some British Isle celts )

And that's order of preference as well.

	07-06-2002 16:33									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia I can't believe it! The Neanderthals got more votes than the Finns?

hi ,

one could say , every Finn is a N , but not every N is a Finn , ......

anyway there are plenty of civ's to chose from , ......

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	07-06-2002 17:32									#46
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quote: Originally posted by panag hi , one could say , every Finn is a N , but not every N is a Finn , ...... anyway there are plenty of civ's to chose from , ...... have a nice day

Are You anti-Finnish racist? Why You offend Finns?

	07-06-2002 19:57									#47
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Are there enough "quality" civs left for Firaxis to eventually release another XP?

Doesn't matter. If Infogrames says "Do you want to make another expansion for Civ3?", I'm sure Firaxis will say "Yes."

And they can always resort to the aliens and such like in Fantastic Worlds for Civ2. More map tile sets, multiple maps, additional eras, etc. etc. etc.

	07-06-2002 20:53									#48
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Quality is a subjective term; to Jamaicans, a Jamaican civ could be a quality civ, while a French civ might not be what they consider a quality civ.

I think the final decider of new civs will be consumer demand more than anything else. If it is high enough, as evidenced by sales of C3PTW among other things, then they will more than likely produce another XP with more civs. Unless they do like was done with SMAC CrossFire.

	07-06-2002 23:25									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Imp. Montezuma Are You anti-Finnish racist? Why You offend Finns?

hi ,

sure , ....... , ....NO NO and NO , but every Finn is a Neanderthal , but not every Neanderthal is a Finn , ....think about it , ....

anti Finn , nope never , great people , lots of sun , well light , but to cold , .....brrrrrr , nice history , ...

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	08-06-2002 01:32									#50
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Keeping in mind that America ( ) was in the original game my answer is: It doesn't matter.

	08-06-2002 01:45									#51
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Oh do be a good sport Status

	08-06-2002 02:49									#52
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Ah hell, America is the world's leading superpower. No matter how ridiculous it seems, they just :have: to be included in order for the game to sell.

The truly most ridiculous and laughable choice would be the Confederates. A faction that only existed for 4 years, in a civil war of just one country, as a civilization?!

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To anyone who will answer to Ranskaldan :
Please answer on a separate thread in the Civilizations forum... I can already feel how this thread is going to go completely off topic about "should the Americans be in Civ" .

	08-06-2002 02:55									#54
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Alright, I'll drag the thread back on topic.

Since the 8 civs in ptw are the Spanish, Mongols, Arabs, Vikings, Turks, Carthaginians, Celts and Koreans.... (iirc)

the next 8, according to the list, would be:

Inca
Maya
Portuguese
Dutch
Hebrews
Ethiopians
Poles
Khmers

	08-06-2002 03:32									#55
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quote: Originally posted by statusperfect Keeping in mind that America ( ) was in the original game my answer is: It doesn't matter.

hi ,

very soon , we shall be able to make our own civ's , ....

have a nice day

	08-06-2002 05:04									#56
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Rankskaldan :
Is that the voted list on the Civilizations forum ? If so, I'm surprised it's exactly what I want

	08-06-2002 07:23									#57
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Spiffor:

Yep it is. The exact votes, as cast by Apolytoners.
In fact, it is that poll that pulled me out of lurking (iirc).
Pity the poll was discontinued though.

	10-06-2002 15:05									#58
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quote: Originally posted by ranskaldan Alright, I'll drag the thread back on topic. Since the 8 civs in ptw are the Spanish, Mongols, Arabs, Vikings, Turks, Carthaginians, Celts and Koreans.... (iirc) the next 8, according to the list, would be: Inca Maya Portuguese Dutch Hebrews Ethiopians Poles Khmers

Celt/Gaul, Portuguese, Dutch, Hebrew, Poles are too close to they neghbors on Earth map. I'm tried make Hebrews. They disapears in stone age razed by Bailonians or Egiptians. May be good for kinda a mediterranean or middle-east scenario.

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Many people don't play the Earth maps. For those who do, you could choose which civs you did/didn't want in, to balance the closeness of the various civs.

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quote: Originally posted by Imp. Montezuma Celt/Gaul, Portuguese, Dutch, Hebrew, Poles are too close to they neghbors on Earth map. I'm tried make Hebrews. They disapears in stone age razed by Bailonians or Egiptians. May be good for kinda a mediterranean or middle-east scenario.

hi ,

tip ; let them start with upto 25 defending units , ...then it works , ....

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