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kring
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Wichita,KS,USA
Dec 2001
time: 23:20
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Appearances can be deceiving.
By that, Firaxis never admits Korea is in; nor does it admit the Hwacha is a UU, just an arty piece.
A lot of assuming is going on about what was implied or not denied in that chat. The questions were NOT answered directly in most cases, the cases that mattered for example.
If the Hwacha is a UU for Korea, then not being able to cause a GA would be a major disadvantage for the more militant players that use UU's for such purposes. But, his answer was: there are other ways to get a GA. Now, this could mean the Hwacha is a UU that can't cause GA's; it could mean the Hwacha is not a UU; it could mean a lot of things totally unrelated to whether it is a UU.
The Hwacha could be a new arty piece available to flesh out arty since it is so limited. It might not even be considered arty in the Civ 3 sense, consider the Cruise Missile as an example of this.
I don't know if Korea is in or not. I will find out soon enough, as will we all. It is just there is some faulty logic being used to determine that Korea is indeed in, when the evidence doesn't justify it. I wouldn't give it higher than a 75% chance of Korea being in. That said, other limited evidence gives other civs about the same chance of being in.
I suspect that will be pleasant/unpleasant surprises all around once all the details come in when it is actually released. By this, I mean, somethings that we are certain are in may not be, or may not be in the way some people wanted them to be.
I think discussion can be good and challenging.
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panag
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MY WORDS ARE BACKED WITH BIO-CHEMICAL WEAPONS
Oct 2000
time: 07:20
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Originally posted by Spiffor
Kring :
Sure, Korea is probably only at 75% probability, but it's the only Civ for which we have material to speculate upon. Everything we can say about the Inca or the Hebrews is pure speculation, as absolutely nothing confirms or deny their presence. But OTOH, we have the Hwacha pic, with its specific Korean name.
Do you know any material which gives indication the Inca / Hebrews, whatever micht be in ?
(sorry if I sound rough, but I've seen someone taking it for certain the Inca will be in. His proof ? "Firaxis wouldn't be stupid enough not to give another American Civ"  ) |
hi ,
the "hwacha" could be from the japanese scenario they are putting in .
as for the Hebrews , one of the problems the have is the name , Israel' , or Jews , and guys dont make this in an off-topic now because of the above , thanks in advance 
its a pitty they did not put the Inca in , even if it was to fill the worldmap , more exact South America , ...
have a nice day
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ranskaldan
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Beijing ~ Singapore ~ Toronto ~ All hail to the new Rome
Sep 2001
time: 00:20
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Well, I'm Chinese, and that's not exactly how I view the Korean civilization.
In fact, you could argue that Korean, Japanese, and all Oriental culture stem from Chinese civilization, in the same way that all of European civilization derives from the Greco-Roman civilization.
But that is of course an oversimplification, and anyway, we aren't about to take the Japanese, French or British out of the game anyway.
Unless you want to argue that the only reason the French or Japanese civilizations are in is to please the French or Japanese, I don't see why the Koreans shouldn't be in due to their merits as a civilization.
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kring
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Wichita,KS,USA
Dec 2001
time: 23:20
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quote:
Originally posted by Spiffor
Kring :
Sure, Korea is probably only at 75% probability, but it's the only Civ for which we have material to speculate upon. Everything we can say about the Inca or the Hebrews is pure speculation, as absolutely nothing confirms or deny their presence. But OTOH, we have the Hwacha pic, with its specific Korean name.
Do you know any material which gives indication the Inca / Hebrews, whatever micht be in ?
(sorry if I sound rough, but I've seen someone taking it for certain the Inca will be in. His proof ? "Firaxis wouldn't be stupid enough not to give another American Civ" ) |
You didn't sound rough.
I don't have any indication as to the last 2 civs will be, and if I did get it, I would be unable to share it until it was approved from above. As it stands now, I don't know nor do I care to guess. There are a number of logical reasons where the Hwacha is in, but the Koreans wouldn't have to be. Until I know more, I am not going to say yes they are in. At the same time, a person could make several arguments for them being in. Wait and see, I must.
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Veracitas
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Berkeley, California (or) Fairfax, Virginia
Jul 1999
time: 05:20
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quote:
Originally posted by dexters
Korea has at one time or another been considered a vassal or either China or Japan. Most Chinese view Korea as a sattelite state, and Korea is a distinctive iteration of the Chinese culture.
No offense to Koreans, but it Korea makes it into PTW, it won't be on its merit as a civilization, its nothing but pandering by Firaxis to Korean gamers in an attempt to sell more units in PC gaming hungry Korea. |
I agree wholly with ranskaldan. "No offense"? I'm sorry, but that was really offensive. Aren't you offended everytime an American claims that Canada is a US sattelite state with no distinct culture? I've heard the term "Canada is the US's biotch" many, many times. All my Canadian friends vehemently object, of course.
Of course, few here realize that Canada is actually one of the wealthiest nations in the world. According to THE WORLD BANK, Canada actually has the 8th largest economy. But, if you look a few spaces down, tiny South Korea actually holds the number 12 spot (it was number 11 before the IMF crisis). Pretty good for a country that you claim doesn't have merits as a civilization, eh?
Like many who were raised with a Western historical perspective, you seem to have little clue what Korea's past really was like. All you see are the periods of Chinese suzerainty, Japanese imperialization, the miseries of the Korean War, and US economic domination.
Even during these times, Korean history is fascinating, but there's much more, too, that you don't see--during these times and others.
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09-06-2002 23:31
I thought you were referring to the Iroquios...
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