06-06-2002 10:11									#1
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At least, that's how it appears.

20:55:13 [monkspider] Firaxis: Can you comment whether or not the Hwacha unit featured in several screenshots is part of the feudal japan theme pack?

20:55:23 [JeffreyMorrisFIRAXIS] Monk: It is not.

00:32:18 [monkspider] Firaxis: One last question regarding the hwacha , Is it an Artillery-type unit?

00:32:25 [MikeBreitkreutzFIRAXIS] yes

[cyclotron7] Somebody above mentioned the Hwacha,and Mike said it is an artillery unit. If so, isn't it a pretty poor unit because of its inability to "win" combat, thus causing a GA? (Sorry if this has been answered before).

00:39:38 [MikeBreitkreutzFIRAXIS] cyclo: Maybe.... But there are other ways of getting a GA.

[cyclotron7] Mike: I know, but doesn't that put the Koreans at a distinct disadvatage?

00:40:52 [MikeBreitkreutzFIRAXIS] Would you say the Americans are at a disadvantage because the F-15 comes so late in the game?

00:41:44 [cyclotron7] MIKE: Well, at least the F-16 can kill fighters...

MikeBreitkreutzFIRAXIS] cyclo: I was just asking. I think it is kind of weak, myself. But I'm no designer. And I think the Hwacha is in much better shape... but then I know a few things about it that you don't.

	06-06-2002 10:18									#2
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I don't think we can consider Arabs and Ottomans 100% confirmed yet. All the other civs have multiple sources confirming their existence. But Korea is certainly at least 95% confirmed as far as I am concerned.
1. Mongols
2. Spanish
3. Koreans (95%)
4. Carthage
5. Celts
6. Vikings
7. Arabs (unconfirmed)
8. Ottomans (unconfirmed)

	06-06-2002 10:20									#3
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Not a bad bunch of civs, I can live with that.

	06-06-2002 10:25									#4
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Yeah, I'm still shocked there is no American civ, and I wish the Hebrews were in it. But there's always next XP I suppose

	06-06-2002 10:33									#5
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Meh, all we're missing out on is a leaderportrait of King David.

	06-06-2002 11:23									#6
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After talking about it, i kinda wish that the Poles were included as well.

	06-06-2002 12:01									#7
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Nooo! Lies, I tell you! I refuse to believe that the expansion would lack such vital geographic fillers as the Incas, Inuit, and Australian aborigines! Who needs hwachas and movable type when you have kangaroos and polar bears?

	06-06-2002 12:46									#8
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quote: 20:55:13 [monkspider] Firaxis: Can you comment whether or not the Hwacha unit featured in several screenshots is part of the feudal japan theme pack? 20:55:23 [JeffreyMorrisFIRAXIS] Monk: It is not. Originally posted by monkspider ... 3. Koreans (95%) ...

Koreans = 100%

	06-06-2002 16:55									#9
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I would say that only the arabs count as "unconfirmed". There was the ottoman leaderhead in the video (yes i'm almost completely sure thats ottoman because it looks like the classic image of the sultans in their harems (at least IMHO).

	06-06-2002 18:39									#10
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I'm upset, I really hoped that Hebrews would come, not the Koreans, and I did outline the reasons in my other posts already.

Arabs and Ottomans aren't confirmed either, yeah.

Now look here... the Korean Hwacha is quite powerful, they say. What could it be? The easiest thing is if it's in the Middle Ages and has Lethal Bombardment (I only have Lethal Bombardment in the Industrial Age). Another thing could be the Hwacha's ability to bombard twice a turn, for instance.

Speculate on what is it!

	06-06-2002 23:35									#11
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Or they could be adding on to the combat system, and the Hwacha will have abilities that we can't even fathom yet.

	07-06-2002 02:59									#12
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Celts aren't confirmed either, btw.

Ottomans seem to be by the video.

	07-06-2002 04:30									#13
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I don't know, Solver, it bothers me that PTW might come with lethal bombard standard. I still never got a real answer to my questions...

	07-06-2002 05:31									#14
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I thinks Celts/Gauls are confirmed, as Infogrames official press release for the E3 said King Brennus was in. Also, in the video, we see a unique swordsman, which reaaaaly looks Celtic.
The only unsure thing is the presence of Arabs (Ottomans are a sure thing : in the video, we can see Istanbul and Antalya). Only one article mentions them, and the journlaist mught have gone wrong.

	07-06-2002 06:41									#15
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quote: The only unsure thing is the presence of Arabs (Ottomans are a sure thing : in the video, we can see Istanbul and Antalya).

ok then the arabs are most likely not in imo. they're too geographically overlapping and culturally similar to eachother for both to be in. therefore i take this (quite optimistic yes) as evidence for the inclusion of the incas. at the least it increases the probability, i would say.

	07-06-2002 17:03									#16
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hi ,

they should put Jews / Hebrews / Israeli , and Arabs in , ......

have a nice day

	07-06-2002 20:45									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Gangerolf ok then the arabs are most likely not in imo. they're too geographically overlapping and culturally similar to eachother for both to be in. therefore i take this (quite optimistic yes) as evidence for the inclusion of the incas. at the least it increases the probability, i would say.

And Spain/Gaul/France/Rome/Germany aren't overlapping at all?
I don't really think geographic distribution is as important to them as everyone is making it out to be...

	08-06-2002 00:29									#18
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I agree with Trip, it's no biggie.

I also agree with panag, Arabs and Hebrews both need to be in. In fact, I am surprised that it looks like that they both won't be. Perhaps Firaxis is hoping to keep a couple popular civs (Inca, Israel) in the bag to sell their next XP.

	08-06-2002 00:37									#19
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quote: Originally posted by monkspider I agree with Trip, it's no biggie. I also agree with panag, Arabs and Hebrews both need to be in. In fact, I am surprised that it looks like that they both won't be. Perhaps Firaxis is hoping to keep a couple popular civs (Inca, Israel) in the bag to sell their next XP.

hi ,

they should put more civ's on PTW , so that one can choose the ones he can play with , ....

have a nice day

	09-06-2002 04:48									#20
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I can't understand why Korea should be in the XP? How have they been important in history? I would like the Israelians(sp?) in, after all, they were a force to be recogniced with once.

	09-06-2002 04:50									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Nikolai I can't understand why Korea should be in the XP? How have they been important in history? I would like the Israelians(sp?) in, after all, they were a force to be recogniced with once.

hi ,

ahem , without going in it to deep , "they still are" , ...

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	09-06-2002 05:00									#22
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LOL, yes with the USA's help, that is. But don't let us fight about the details. And Israel was not a country for over 2000 years before they arose again, so that is what I meant.

	09-06-2002 05:03									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Nikolai LOL, yes with the USA's help, that is. But don't let us fight about the details. And Israel was not a country for over 2000 years before they arose again, so that is what I meant.

hi ,

nowadays they dont need the US , its handy thats all , ...the US armed forces are buying comp's and missili's in Israel , ....why would that be , .......

and true , for 2000 year we where a bit down under , but never again , .......

allas , have a nice night

	09-06-2002 06:33									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Nikolai I can't understand why Korea should be in the XP? How have they been important in history? I would like the Israelians(sp?) in, after all, they were a force to be recogniced with once.

There's a lot more history to Korea than most people are aware of. They haven't just been fought over by the Chinese and Japanese for thousands of years. Korea was once a force to be reckoned with as well.

And when were the Israelis that powerful? Sure they had a nice kingdom going a while back, but I doubt they could have done things on the scale of some of the other civs.

	09-06-2002 07:48									#25
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The Hebrews should be in civ, because they were simply so intriguing..... in every single way.

I can't believe the Inca are out.......!

Last edited by ranskaldan on 09-06-2002 at 11:08

	09-06-2002 16:49									#26
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quote: Originally posted by ranskaldan The Hebrews should be in civ, because they were simply so intriguing..... in every single way. I can't believe the Inca are out.......!

hi ,

relax , with the new editor there shall be the ability to put civ's in , ....

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	09-06-2002 21:45									#27
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The editor'd better be good.......!

	09-06-2002 21:48									#28
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Well, it'll be better than the current one at least.

	09-06-2002 21:49									#29
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lol!

If that's our standard of measurement, then I think we can forget about adding civs

	09-06-2002 22:47									#30
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Good point.