09-06-2002 19:41									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Ijuin I agree that Commercial civs would be appropriately strengthened by giving them half price Marketplaces/Banks. As for Expansionist civs, I would give them a second special unit, the Coracle. This is like a Galley with no attack power (0.1.3, carry 2), and would upgrade to Caraval. The Coracle would be available from the start of the game, cost 30 shields, and travel over Coastal and Sea squares (sink in Ocean even WITH the Great Lighthouse). Alternatively, the Expansionist civs could get half price Aqueducts and Hospitals, which would give them a benefit throughout the game instead of just during the Ancient Age.

hi ,

hmmm , you just have to see that the overall game stay's in balance .

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	10-06-2002 03:24									#32
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I thank everyone for their support, hopefully this will be addressed in a patch without any need for an XP.

	10-06-2002 04:30									#33
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quote: Originally posted by monkspider I thank everyone for their support, hopefully this will be addressed in a patch without any need for an XP.

hi ,

please explain a bit more , .....

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	10-06-2002 18:41									#34
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i think commercial attributre is one of the more powerful traits. expansionist does, however, need some souping up

	10-06-2002 20:06									#35
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Expansionist idea:

One of the Firaxis people mentioned 'ruins' among the new terrain iterm.

Perhaps ruins could act as a modern goody hut, extending the usefulness of expensionist?

	10-06-2002 20:30									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Ijuin As for Expansionist civs, I would give them a second special unit, the Coracle. This is like a Galley with no attack power (0.1.3, carry 2), and would upgrade to Caraval. The Coracle would be available from the start of the game, cost 30 shields, and travel over Coastal and Sea squares (sink in Ocean even WITH the Great Lighthouse). Alternatively, the Expansionist civs could get half price Aqueducts and Hospitals, which would give them a benefit throughout the game instead of just during the Ancient Age.

Those were basically the ideas I was thining about as well. My opinion on the improved seafaring would be that ships from an expansionist civ have a lower chance of sinking. Galleys should be allowed to move safely across sea tiles as well.

Giving aqueducts and hospitals for half price would be an unfair advantage IMO. those buildings take much longer to finish than barracks, walls and harbors, so the advantage of half production would be way bigger. An idea might be to have the pop limits of cities expanded (like 7 pop for an aqeduct and 13 for an hospital).

	10-06-2002 21:22									#37
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They could have a reduced cost; not necessarily half; but doesn't the same argument against also apply to Universities and Cathedrals for reduced costs. Scientific and Religious get reduced costs for the more expensive buildings, as well as for Temple and Library.

Some great discussion and ideas going on.

	10-06-2002 22:20									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Dr. Stiby Those were basically the ideas I was thining about as well. My opinion on the improved seafaring would be that ships from an expansionist civ have a lower chance of sinking. Galleys should be allowed to move safely across sea tiles as well. Giving aqueducts and hospitals for half price would be an unfair advantage IMO. those buildings take much longer to finish than barracks, walls and harbors, so the advantage of half production would be way bigger. An idea might be to have the pop limits of cities expanded (like 7 pop for an aqeduct and 13 for an hospital).

hi ,

that can be done with the editor , ....

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	10-06-2002 23:56									#39
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quote: Originally posted by jdd2007 i think commercial attributre is one of the more powerful traits.

Why???

	11-06-2002 01:41									#40
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I agree, Commercial should be given 1/2 of marketplaces and Banks. However,Expansionist is fine IMLO. Even if you do start on an island, you are already 1/2 way to getting Map Making and thus expanding to other islands.

	12-06-2002 03:29									#41
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quote: Originally posted by NotLikeTea Expansionist idea: One of the Firaxis people mentioned 'ruins' among the new terrain iterm. Perhaps ruins could act as a modern goody hut, extending the usefulness of expensionist?

Unless it's something that's left when you raze a city.......