22-06-2002 23:54									#31
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What if you made a new naval unit with the settler flag on it, and make it available after say, synthetic fibres?

Wouldn't that work?

	02-07-2002 00:33									#32
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I would like to see an Ancient Med Scenario with an Atlantean metropolis. It would make for interesting battles...

	02-07-2002 00:41									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Qilue A sobering thought. Anyone here remember playing SMAC and having foreign bases along your coastline placed by it's not-really-expansionistic AI? Now contemplate such a thing with Civ3's found-as-many-cities-as-possible-no-matter-how-shitty-the-location AI.

hi ,

would it be possible to re-phrase that next time , ...

some people on this board are very young , ....

have a nice day

	02-07-2002 00:46									#34
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Did you realise your 'have a nice day's are some of the most annoying things I have ever come across in my life? LOL

When I first saw you say that, I couldn't work out if you were serious or purposly trying to annoy people.

	02-07-2002 00:54									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Sn00py Did you realise your 'have a nice day's are some of the most annoying things I have ever come across in my life? LOL When I first saw you say that, I couldn't work out if you were serious or purposly trying to annoy people.

hi ,

the have a nice day is sincere , and has no harm in it ,
cursing is something else , .....


topic , maybe we shall be able to settle on mountains , ...that shall be fun , ......

as long as the AI follows the rules that you give it , it shall be fine .

have a nice day

	02-07-2002 05:18									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Sn00py Did you realise your 'have a nice day's are some of the most annoying things I have ever come across in my life? LOL

I tend to agree with you on that one. I usually read my email first thing in the morning, and it bugs the hell out of me dealing with someone who's disgustingly cheerful at that time of the day. At least until I've managed to get a few cups of coffee in me.

	05-07-2002 00:52									#37
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quote: Originally posted by panag hi , the have a nice day is sincere , and has no harm in it , cursing is something else , ..... topic , maybe we shall be able to settle on mountains , ...that shall be fun , ...... as long as the AI follows the rules that you give it , it shall be fine . have a nice day

Actually I was puzzled too the first couple of times I crossed some of your posts, panag. I guess I'm on that coffee-wagon too.

The first thing I'm going to do with that flag is to keep mountains off the place-city-list, and remove the flag from tundra and desert. I think it will give a nice touch.
Actually still with 6 billion people on earth most of the landmass is without much permanent human life. Even one of seven continents is not really settled.

I just hate to see those out of-bounds-cities I just has to put there only so that no AI settles there. Cities without much production or commerce is just... well overhead. I think that nomansland can add some stratigic spice (recon, patrol and surprise attacks).
We have that today where large lumps of mountain are present. And both the AI and I uses that.

	06-07-2002 19:13									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Firebird Actually I was puzzled too the first couple of times I crossed some of your posts, panag. I guess I'm on that coffee-wagon too. The first thing I'm going to do with that flag is to keep mountains off the place-city-list, and remove the flag from tundra and desert. I think it will give a nice touch. Actually still with 6 billion people on earth most of the landmass is without much permanent human life. Even one of seven continents is not really settled. I just hate to see those out of-bounds-cities I just has to put there only so that no AI settles there. Cities without much production or commerce is just... well overhead. I think that nomansland can add some stratigic spice (recon, patrol and surprise attacks). We have that today where large lumps of mountain are present. And both the AI and I uses that.

hi ,

intresting , ...

with some new terrain that is coming we could always include "ice" , where you cant settle , .....

have a nice day

	06-07-2002 20:56									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Firebird I just hate to see those out of-bounds-cities I just has to put there only so that no AI settles there. Cities without much production or commerce is just... well overhead. I think that nomansland can add some stratigic spice (recon, patrol and surprise attacks). We have that today where large lumps of mountain are present. And both the AI and I uses that.

Exactly - the AI is settling for positional power. I do that as well.

	08-07-2002 23:13									#40
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I could see disallowing cities on desert, allowing them on coastal (historically, even ancient civs were able to 'build up' shallow water areas to build cities like the site of modern Mexico City) but not sea or ocean, and adding a new terrain 'glacier' or 'ice shelf' that disallowed cities.

There have been SO many times when the perfect city site is a square that's a lake or a coastal inlet.

That would make the game play kinda interesting.

PS:

HAVE A NICE DAY!


Sorry, couldn't resist. The voices made me do it.....

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	10-07-2002 20:25									#41
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You could tech-restrict water cities. Have the Water Settler (for lack of a better name) require a certain tech.

You can have territory on ocean tiles if they're within the standard city radius.

	11-07-2002 23:20									#42
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The big question ought to be: will water cities be allowed on just coastal squares, or will sea and ocean squares be allowed as well. What I mean to say is what is the point of playing with 80% water if you can build it up as if it were land.

There are certainly enough artistically able graphics modders out there to give us a proper “waterworld” unit. (Too bad Firaxis doesn’t have the better ones working in its' art department.)

And panag, just for kicks, for those “non-morning” people, for one day end all your posts with “Have a @#*&$ day! ” I bet that will put coffee spray on the monitor!

	11-07-2002 23:44									#43
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You can allow cities on any terrain but that does not mean it will have different graphics.

	31-07-2002 21:49									#44
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I gave coastal terrain the ability to support cities.
My findings:

You can take a settler to a coastal in a boat and found a city.

You cannot move land troops into the city, not even marines because the game still considers the terrain water.

You can attack the city with ships.

If the city site is next to land terrain a road on the land will NOT connect to the city. So much for artificial land bidges.

	31-07-2002 22:28									#45
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You can probably use the city as a landbridge, and get units into it, if you just have some sort of transport vessel in the city itself. At least that's how it worked in SMAC.

	01-08-2002 00:23									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Willem You can probably use the city as a landbridge, and get units into it, if you just have some sort of transport vessel in the city itself. At least that's how it worked in SMAC.

Then why would you need the city? Just make a line of transports. Ahh, put they can only hop to one and then their turn is over......

	01-08-2002 00:53									#47
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb Then why would you need the city? Just make a line of transports. Ahh, put they can only hop to one and then their turn is over......

Plus a city has a major defense bonus compared to just a single ship in the water.

	02-08-2002 01:09									#48
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb You cannot move land troops into the city, not even marines because the game still considers the terrain water. You can attack the city with ships.

Yuck! Maybe you could make a unit, make it immoble, give it a defense value that compares to ship attack strength, and change its picture to a marine.

	02-08-2002 01:09									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Willem Plus a city has a major defense bonus compared to just a single ship in the water.

Ahh, but I don't think you're allowed to place a city next to an existing city so you would still have to use boats in between......

	10-08-2002 11:30									#50
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What happens when you look at the birds-eye-view of a water city?

	13-08-2002 18:40									#51
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Come on, I can't test it myself.