06-06-2002 15:14									#1
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from last night's unscheduled chat

quote: 23:15:28 [MikeBreitkreutzFIRAXIS] You can limit terrain types the cities can be built on (or even add mountain cities) 23:15:56 [RandomPasserby] Does that include water cities?. 23:17:27 [MikeBreitkreutzFIRAXIS] Random: I'm not sure what water cities would do but you can make water allow cities...

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	06-06-2002 17:07									#2
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Cool. Too bad I was out last night...

	06-06-2002 17:14									#3
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that will teach you to have a real life! dont do it again!

	06-06-2002 17:17									#4
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG that will teach you to have a real life!

What, I had a real life. I simply was oput partying, as all other days this week. You don't finish school every day.

	06-06-2002 23:00									#5
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Hmm, I like the sound of that. I won't have to starve the AI out of the desert anymore. I just won't let it build there in the first place. Cool. The water city would be interesting if there were different graphics to go with it, like a dome or something. I doubt that would be possible though.

But then again, how would you get the Settler out there? Unless it can build a city while on a boat.

	06-06-2002 23:37									#6
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So let me get this straight: we'll be able to have water cities, but they'll look as if they're floating since there's no new graphics. So, no futuristic underwater cities then?

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	07-06-2002 03:45									#7
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quote: Originally posted by zulu9812 So let me get this straight: we'll be able to have water cities, but they'll lookas if they're floating since there's no new graphics. So, no futuristic underwater cities then?

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	07-06-2002 04:16									#8
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Just a thought - obviously you can't build roads/rr to/from these water cities, so the only means of travel is via airport. Also, they can't be built by settlers, since they can't cross water. Thus, the water cities will only be available in scenarios. Actually, it sounds like this is whole water-city thing is more of a side-effect than a new feature. Which is a shame.

	07-06-2002 04:23									#9
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couldnt you give settler-abilities to a naval unit?

	07-06-2002 13:31									#10
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It might work to have a settler on a ship and select to settle from there.

	07-06-2002 14:07									#11
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is it possible now to settle cities while in transport?
that would have to change then, in order to start cities from ships.

	07-06-2002 15:36									#12
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Not that a water city would be any good with the original rules. YouŽd need a harbor, airport and offshore platform just for basic needs, and still you would get only average production in the city. I think the best use of them would be to have them as border expander cities.

But I really think this is something for scenarios only.

	07-06-2002 15:43									#13
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quote: still you would get only average production in the city

nothing stops you from changing the values of the sea terrain types

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quote: Originally posted by Lemmy is it possible now to settle cities while in transport? that would have to change then, in order to start cities from ships.

I don't know if it is possible. Might be, maybe not. We'll have to wait and see.

	07-06-2002 20:23									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Hurricane Not that a water city would be any good with the original rules. YouŽd need a harbor, airport and offshore platform just for basic needs, and still you would get only average production in the city. I think the best use of them would be to have them as border expander cities. But I really think this is something for scenarios only.

Hopefully it will be possible to:

a) edit the improvements so that they are all automaticly given
b) change the resources produced by ocean terrain and/or add new oceanic terrain.

	07-06-2002 23:55									#16
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quote:

Originally posted by MarkG
that will teach you to have a real life!


What, I had a real life. I simply was oput partying, as all other days this week. You don't finish school every day.


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	08-06-2002 01:17									#17
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was there a point to that post?

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quote: Originally posted by Imp. Montezuma BTW what means 'Ruotsi on maailman paras maa!'? Laplandish?

It's Finnish for "Sweden is the best country in the world."

	08-06-2002 01:43									#19
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quote: Originally posted by zulu9812 was there a point to that post?

Sure, but next time I hope he'll use the quote option

	08-06-2002 04:14									#20
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hi ,

no cities on water , ....except , ...for a water world scenario , ...

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	08-06-2002 04:35									#21
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	08-06-2002 19:47									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Hurricane Not that a water city would be any good with the original rules. YouŽd need a harbor, airport and offshore platform just for basic needs, and still you would get only average production in the city. I think the best use of them would be to have them as border expander cities. But I really think this is something for scenarios only.

But they could play a strategic role, plugging up a sea lane etc. And it might be better having a water city to control a resource than one on land. To bad about the graphics though, it will look rather strange having a normal city in the ocean.

	08-06-2002 20:00									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Willem But they could play a strategic role, plugging up a sea lane etc. And it might be better having a water city to control a resource than one on land. To bad about the graphics though, it will look rather strange having a normal city in the ocean.

hi ,

yeah , just put a spot of plains or grass , .......

waterworld , ........nope , its going to look like , ....like , well unreal , ......


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	09-06-2002 10:32									#25
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Well, sadly, this may be misinterpreted; just because you could set it in the editor doesn't mean that it would work. Even if it does, there are two major drawbacks that I see:

1. There's no likely way to make it dependant on tech; presumably, either you can build water cities in 2000 B.C. or you can't ever.

2. You can't, as of now, ever get ocean within your boundaries; thus, water cities would still be limited to shallow seas (not a HUGE problem), unless cities' forced radius of 1 does apply to oceans.

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Restricting cities to shallow water would make more sense anyway. I can't imagine a realistic Ocean water city anytime in the next 50 years, not with current tech available or currently being researched. Sea cities and Coast cities, yes.

I am interested to see how they would work it when we get the patch.

	09-06-2002 13:56									#27
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I want better options for the classes. I think that you should be able to create classes yourself. There should be an option on what terrains a unit with a class can pass over, and an option for the class to be able to attack settlements.

	09-06-2002 17:25									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Gramphos I want better options for the classes. I think that you should be able to create classes yourself. There should be an option on what terrains a unit with a class can pass over, and an option for the class to be able to attack settlements.

hi ,

hmmm , why not put the option ; declare war or not , ....50% chance to do it without declaring war , but it would cost so much , lets say 200 gold , if you dont have it , no attack without declaring war , ....

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	19-06-2002 08:45									#29
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A sobering thought.

Anyone here remember playing SMAC and having foreign bases along your coastline placed by it's not-really-expansionistic AI?

Now contemplate such a thing with Civ3's found-as-many-cities-as-possible-no-matter-how-shitty-the-location AI.

	19-06-2002 09:42									#30
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Is swearing allowed on this board?