06-06-2002 19:12									#1
	The Unscheduled Civ3 Chat Log, June 6, 2002 Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

http://apolyton.net/misc/chat/civ3/junelog-1.shtml

some of the most interesting info revelead

PTW Info
- New non-unique(civ specific units): guerilla and the medieval infantry
- Function of outposts: They push back the fog of war and are context sensitive (mountain outposts push back mroe that desert outposts)
- AI: Not a great deal of new AI, except for them using the new things like airfields
- Events: on the wishlist, along with many other things that have been suggested in the forums(and the chat)
- PBEM: In pbem players will not have to have matching default bics

Next (free) version of Editor will have
- Minimap
- Zoom
- Ability to place of cities, units, colonies, civ-specific starting locations
- Ability to add units and civs
- Ability to import maps or rules (or even players) from other bic files
- Ability to allow cities to be build on certain terrain types only(water cities allowed)

	06-06-2002 20:58									#2
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Shouldn't the "with" in the newsitem read "without" ?

woohoo! Very first greeting

7 hours?? I thought it was winding down at 3am when I left. Then Mike joined... Can't believe I missed 5 hours of chat, just so I could sleep

	06-06-2002 21:02									#3
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Like it... love editor rules import, but.... I am concrned about different bics for PBEM. Sure I like it, but wonder how will it really turn out to work.

	06-06-2002 21:40									#4
	Re: The Unscheduled Civ3 Chat Log, June 6, 2002 Enter the AD-FREE zone

quote: Originally posted by MarkG - Ability to add units and civs

How many civs?

What about buildings?

This editor looks very good. I'm looking forward to using it.

	06-06-2002 21:58									#5
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Happy to see my old suggestion of outposts (well, I said Towers, but the function is the same) getting in.

	06-06-2002 22:05									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Solver Like it... love editor rules import, but.... I am concrned about different bics for PBEM. Sure I like it, but wonder how will it really turn out to work.

I think you missed the point: the game will automatically ensure everyone is using the same rules as the server, regardless of whether you have that BIC stored on your machine or not.

Or, at least that's what *I* thought he was talking about...


Dan

	06-06-2002 22:29									#7
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You couldn't tease us with a new unit as your avatar?

	06-06-2002 22:38									#8
	Re: Re: The Unscheduled Civ3 Chat Log, June 6, 2002 Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

quote: Originally posted by dunk999 How many civs? What about buildings? This editor looks very good. I'm looking forward to using it.

Definately want the ability to add my own buildings/wonders!

	06-06-2002 22:46									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Dan Magaha FIRAXIS I think you missed the point: the game will automatically ensure everyone is using the same rules as the server, regardless of whether you have that BIC stored on your machine or not. Or, at least that's what *I* thought he was talking about... Dan

hi ,

why dont you use something like the Command & Concuer , tiberian sun , "TPW" , ....it's very nice , okay its older , but for example you can choose if you want to play a game with modified rules or not , and many other things , ....

its worth to take a look at it , and improve it , ...

have a nice day

	06-06-2002 22:51									#10
	Re: The Unscheduled Civ3 Chat Log, June 6, 2002 Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

quote: - New non-unique(civ specific units): guerilla and the medieval infantry - Function of outposts: They push back the fog of war and are context sensitive (mountain outposts push back mroe that desert outposts) - AI: Not a great deal of new AI, except for them using the new things like airfields - Events: on the wishlist, along with many other things that have been suggested in the forums(and the chat) - PBEM: In pbem players will not have to have matching default bics Next (free) version of Editor will have - Minimap - Zoom - Ability to place of cities, units, colonies, civ-specific starting locations - Ability to add units and civs - Ability to import maps or rules (or even players) from other bic files - Ability to allow cities to be build on certain terrain types only(water cities allowed)

Culture specific units?
Ability to add resources would be welcome.

	07-06-2002 00:19									#11
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Thanks Dan, but are you saying that the host, who starts the game, generally has his .BIC settings coded into the game save file, and, as PBEM goes, everyone receives exactly those modifications?

As the PBEM boss, I gotta do some research on the new PBEM technology .

	07-06-2002 00:39									#12
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dan, if we establish a "free beer with chat" offer for developers, will you be doing this more often?

	07-06-2002 00:45									#13
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG dan, if we establish a "free beer with chat" offer for developers, will you be doing this more often?

hi ,

that should draw their attention , .......

have a nice day

	07-06-2002 01:45									#14
	Re: Re: The Unscheduled Civ3 Chat Log, June 6, 2002 Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

quote: Originally posted by Amadan Culture specific units?

If you can add units, you'll be able to add culture specific ones.

You can make units available to 1 culture, 3 cultures or whoever you want to in the editor as it stands now.

There's a box in the editor under the units tab called "available to:" or somesuch, simply select the civ or civs who you want to have this unit available to in that box.

	07-06-2002 02:22									#15
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Sounds like a lot was included that we have been asking for.

Good job guys. Keep it up.

	07-06-2002 02:32									#16
	Re: Re: Re: The Unscheduled Civ3 Chat Log, June 6, 2002 Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

quote: Originally posted by dunk999 If you can add units, you'll be able to add culture specific ones. You can make units available to 1 culture, 3 cultures or whoever you want to in the editor as it stands now. There's a box in the editor under the units tab called "available to:" or somesuch, simply select the civ or civs who you want to have this unit available to in that box.

New "non-unique(civ specific units)" were mentioned. I was curious as to how those would be split.
Will they be there be units unique to each culture?
Or will the same unit look diferent depending on the Civ?
Or is there another meaning to that phrase which I am missing?
If they were available to everyone, why say "civ specific"?

	07-06-2002 02:47									#17
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the "civ specific" part was meant as an explanation to "unique", not to "non-unique"

	07-06-2002 03:02									#18
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG the "civ specific" part was meant as an explanation to "unique", not to "non-unique"

Thanks for the clarification!
Either way, more units =

	07-06-2002 04:45									#19
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Hi Guys,

I haven't had the opportunity to go through the ENTIRE Chat Log so I was just wondering, did they mention adding any new flags to the editor (like anti-aircraft) or putting editor flags into single pools? I remember that, back in an earlier chat, the developers mentioned how pooling flags, especially for improvements, small wonders and wonders, was one of the items on their "wish-list" for editor changes! Pooling unit and building flags would be great as I would love to be able to have units which can only be built if you have certain buildings present!
Anyway, any insights you guys might have on this would be much appreciated and, in the meantime, I'll plow through the log!

Yours,
The_Aussie_Lurker.

	07-06-2002 04:46									#20
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The ability to add units and civs is the most attractive new feature to me. Hope that will work smoothly and perfectly within the existing engine.

	07-06-2002 06:01									#21
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG the "civ specific" part was meant as an explanation to "unique", not to "non-unique"

Mark...take another look at it. The grammar is off and makes you say the opposite of what you mean. I noticed it too, but didn't want to bug you.

The solution is to close the parentheses after "civ-specific" instead of after "unit". Capiche?

	07-06-2002 11:35									#22
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thank you sir

	07-06-2002 17:51									#23
	Re: The Unscheduled Civ3 Chat Log, June 6, 2002 Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

quote: Originally posted by MarkG - Ability to allow cities to be build on certain terrain types only

YES! YES! YES! YES!

I can stop wishing for this now. No more cities in desert/tundra for the old Stuie Mod.

	07-06-2002 23:22									#24
	Re: Re: The Unscheduled Civ3 Chat Log, June 6, 2002 Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

quote: Originally posted by Stuie YES! YES! YES! YES! I can stop wishing for this now. No more cities in desert/tundra for the old Stuie Mod.

hi ,

lets hope they have a list that you can control true control+enter , ...instead of using only one , that you have several options at the same time , ...

have a nice day

	20-06-2002 13:51									#25
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"Medieval Infantry", called Men-at-Arms, first appeared in Plutarck's LWC mod about five months ago.

After seven months and countless complaining threads will we finally see and end to the idiocy of settlers starting towns in distant tundra and deserts where there are no resources??

An Editor that at long last allows us to EASILY add new units without having to play with the Units folders and .ini files??

Maybe Firaxis is learning, slowly.

But it's a start.

	20-06-2002 14:22									#26
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quote: "Medieval Infantry", called Men-at-Arms, first appeared in Plutarck's LWC mod about five months ago.

and sid though of nothing new with civ1 either. many other people had done strategy games in the past....

	21-06-2002 10:00									#27
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Will the new editor allow you to specifiy a starting date (eg: September 1939) and also specify time increments per turn (eg: one month)?