10-06-2002 23:42									#61
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Was "last tango in paris" french? I remember it was spoken in french but with english subtitles. Does that make it french?

	10-06-2002 23:47									#62
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"generally holywood is w@nker brain, junk food for the mind easy crap."

How do you judge that? The Hollywood-funded films that came out last year were quite strong in story.

1) LOTR (NZ/US) had a little too abrupt editing, but a capable film version of a great story.

2) A Beatiful Mind had a great story which was very well told.

3) Moulin Rouge (Australia/US) was inventive. Fresh and original. An excellent story.

Mulholland Drive (France/US); Black Hawk Down; Gosford Park (Italy/US/UK/Germany); Monsters Ball.

Most of these were done in the Hollywood system and are damn good stories.

	10-06-2002 23:48									#63
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"Was "last tango in paris" french?"

Italian/French.

http://us.imdb.com/Title?0070849

	10-06-2002 23:55									#64
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Did I mention that it was complete and utter filth?

	10-06-2002 23:58									#65
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It so was so filthy, I was disturbed. Shocking, really.

	10-06-2002 23:58									#66
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Lord of the rings....

sorry but just for including this one, you're gone my friend.

this is something for my 13 year old cousin to be happy about.
and for me to see what can be done, tecnhically to transfer the book to film..


see there are 2 words for "entertainment" in greek

one is diaskedasi which is basically what you mean by entertainment and it is considered a lower form of it


the other is psychagogia and a similar word does not exist in the english language. a translation would be "guidance of the soul".

soul fulfilling cinema.

hollywood is just diaskedasi. and its most important ambassadors are movies like spiderman and the titanic.
sure ther exist jewels but these are in the margin of the whole thing.

movies that broaden your horizon that talk about real things straight to your sould, uplift your inner psyche and leave you feeling more "complete" after wathcing them

that cannot be found in a ring or a web of a spider DanS.


and you should have talked about some other hollywwod movies if you wanted to shake that image. but again they are the exception.

	11-06-2002 00:04									#67
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quote: Originally posted by DanS It so was so filthy, I was disturbed. Shocking, really.

Indeed, it was incredibly loathsome and vile. It commanded a kind of morbid fascination.

For those who havent seen it, its about an american (marlon brando) who is looking for an apartment in paris. For some reason an apartment he goes to look at has a beautiful woman in it that he cant help but sexually ravage up against the wall as soon as he sees her. They have a few more brief lustful encounters without saying a word, but then when she starts wanting to talk to him he anally rapes her with some butter that was handy. Things go downhill from there.

	11-06-2002 00:10									#68
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" the other is psychagogia and a similar word does not exist in the english language. a translation would be "guidance of the soul".

soul fulfilling cinema."

You just can't bring yourself to admit that this was a crop of really great stories told in an engaging fashion. Amazing.

	11-06-2002 00:12									#69
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i'm sorry if you think that these are "great stories".

i'm afraid you have nothing to compare them with.

	11-06-2002 00:15									#70
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"i'm afraid you have nothing to compare them with."

I've watched an awful lot of movies, Paiktis. I tend to watch 4 or 5 a week. Only about 1/2 are from the US.

Trust me. These are really great stories.

	11-06-2002 00:17									#71
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i dont need to "trust you"
i've seen one or two of them myself. like LOTR

they're diaskedasi. i doubt you left the movie theater feeling a more complete man after seeing them
or if you did, well, not much point in discussing.

	11-06-2002 00:23									#72
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"i doubt you left the movie theater feeling a more complete man after seeing them"

A Beautiful Mind? Moulin Rouge? Monsters Ball?

	11-06-2002 00:26									#73
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I was at the moulin rouge a few weeks ago. The show was good in parts, but went on too long. It had some really awful parts too. OH, you were probably talking about the movie....never mind...

	11-06-2002 00:28									#74
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i haven't seen them so i cant judge.
as ive already said some movies from hollywood are indeed worthwhile and fewer are even masterpieces, but they are the exception.

i have no problem saying that they exist (duh! im always on the look out for them) but 95% of hollywood is w@nker mind stuff. and hollywood has become identified with it.

	11-06-2002 00:36									#75
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"i haven't seen them so i cant judge."

But you did judge. You dismiss them, saying "they're diaskedasi." You go on to say "but 95% of hollywood is w@nker mind stuff." Did you even watch much of the good stuff from the past year?

Doesn't seem like you did. Rather, it sounds to me like you're being pretentious. (That one's for you, Boris .)

	11-06-2002 00:47									#76
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believe me, i have seen my share of hollywood

you just cant bring yourself to admit that 95% of it is utter crap. but after all that's a common disease in your part of the woods about plenty of things.

grow up!

dont worry the sky will not fall on your head

	11-06-2002 00:49									#77
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OTOH you can just say that you do like hollywood and thats ok too.

but to try to conveince me, or any other for that matter, that hollywood is "worthwhile", please, dont waist your time


i can be pretentious about plenty of things, but, please with hollywood i really dont have to

	11-06-2002 00:51									#78
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Hollywood is worthwile .

Braveheart, Saving Private Ryan, Indiana Jones, Star Wars. Mmmmm, Hollywood.

	11-06-2002 00:53									#79
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exactly. mmmm as in a bag of pop corn. and that's hollywood

nothing more and nothing less

	11-06-2002 00:54									#80
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What do you have against Popcorn?

I'd rather watch Hollywood than French films that's for sure (unless the French films had some nice French actress disrobing ).

	11-06-2002 00:56									#81
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i have nothing against pop corn. but that's just what it is: pop corn

	11-06-2002 00:58									#82
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"but to try to conveince me, or any other for that matter, that hollywood is "worthwhile", please, dont waist your time "

I see. The common Paiktis tactic of "I can't be convinced". Typical.

	11-06-2002 01:00									#84
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im sorry DanS but you look really ridiculous trying to "prove" that hollywood is something to really care about

go on and enjoy it. allow me and others not to fall for w@nker mind stuff that turn your brain into jello

	11-06-2002 01:05									#85
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 Lord of the rings.... sorry but just for including this one, you're gone my friend. this is something for my 13 year old cousin to be happy about. and for me to see what can be done, tecnhically to transfer the book to film.. see there are 2 words for "entertainment" in greek one is diaskedasi which is basically what you mean by entertainment and it is considered a lower form of it the other is psychagogia and a similar word does not exist in the english language. a translation would be "guidance of the soul". soul fulfilling cinema. hollywood is just diaskedasi. and its most important ambassadors are movies like spiderman and the titanic. sure ther exist jewels but these are in the margin of the whole thing. movies that broaden your horizon that talk about real things straight to your sould, uplift your inner psyche and leave you feeling more "complete" after wathcing them that cannot be found in a ring or a web of a spider DanS. and you should have talked about some other hollywwod movies if you wanted to shake that image. but again they are the exception.

LoTR (the book) is deffinitely psychagogia

the movie is looking to be also (we have 2 more installments though)

Jon Miller

	11-06-2002 01:17									#86
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"but you look really ridiculous trying to "prove" that hollywood is something to really care about"

Where did I did I try to prove that Hollywood was something that you should care about?

If you don't like good stories told well, then Hollywood has nothing to offer you. I'm sure there are better ways to explore the soul of Paiktis. Like church.

	11-06-2002 01:31									#87
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quote: Spider Man, Harry Potter, and Titanic were all top-notch stories.

you're funny

	11-06-2002 01:34									#88
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quote: 1)Alien 2)Star wars 3)Star Trek

All of them?

Most of those were utter crap too. Story wise at least.

Doesn't mean they're not great movies. Just different.

	11-06-2002 01:37									#89
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quote: unless the French films had some nice French actress disrobing

that goes for nearly all French movies

so does that mean you like French movies better than Hollycrap?

quote: Black Hawk Down

Did black hawk down have a story? :shocked:

	11-06-2002 01:39									#90
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quote: For those who havent seen it, its about an american (marlon brando) who is looking for an apartment in paris. For some reason an apartment he goes to look at has a beautiful woman in it that he cant help but sexually ravage up against the wall as soon as he sees her. They have a few more brief lustful encounters without saying a word, but then when she starts wanting to talk to him he anally rapes her with some butter that was handy. Things go downhill from there.

that sure is...different.

I got to rent it sometime then.