08-06-2002 16:49									#1
	What kind of unit will Medieval Infantry be? Remove this text

It has been announced that PTW will include a unit tenatively called "Medieval Infantry". What kind of unit do you think this will be?

I would think it would be 5/3/1, upgrade from Swordmen, requiring Iron, cost 60-70 shields, and be available with Chivalry.

	08-06-2002 17:17									#2
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I hope it is an upgrade for the swordsman. I'm certain the Persians and Romans won't be so screwed once knights enter the battlefield if it is.

As for when it is available, I definitely agree with Chivalry. I heard that it was meant to be a knight on foot, so it would be appropriate to be available with knights.

	08-06-2002 18:41									#3
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Medieval Infantry are militia of free citizens and peasantry, later merceneraries. They weapon was pices. They was in later Knights. With musketeers withdrawn knights in XVI. Redudant with Picemen in the Game. May be need Pesantry Forces - medieval analog of Guerillia

	08-06-2002 19:04									#4
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I don't expect you will be able to build either of the new units, I think they will just pop up like partisians from Civ2.

	08-06-2002 20:30									#5
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you have to remember, they're re-doing ALL the unit ADMs... so your thoughts are probably off by a few #s

	09-06-2002 00:10									#6
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quote: Originally posted by jimmytrick I don't expect you will be able to build either of the new units, I think they will just pop up like partisians from Civ2.

Agree.

	09-06-2002 00:32									#7
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All I know is that it's going to look really cool!
(At least, that's all Jeff would tell me about it )

	09-06-2002 00:44									#8
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I dont know if its the best idea for a unit thats needed. I think 'longbowman' fill in the halfway decent unit that doesnt require resources block, and then there's pikeman, both of which satisfy 'meideval infantry' IMO. Maybe there could be 'longswordsman' or something but I think that time could be spent elsewhere in the game improving areas that need improvement rather than here. Maybe swordsman should upgrade to pikeman or something.

	09-06-2002 01:23									#9
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I suppose will all find out soon; I bet Firaxis will spill the beans with in a month or so.

	09-06-2002 16:50									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Pythagoras I dont know if its the best idea for a unit thats needed. I think 'longbowman' fill in the halfway decent unit that doesnt require resources block, and then there's pikeman, both of which satisfy 'meideval infantry' IMO. Maybe there could be 'longswordsman' or something but I think that time could be spent elsewhere in the game improving areas that need improvement rather than here. Maybe swordsman should upgrade to pikeman or something.

My vote for 'Crossbowman' for 'medieval infantry'.
Pikeman with m. infantry are too redudant and unrealistic.

	09-06-2002 19:00									#11
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In my mod, I made Man-O-War into the Ship of the Line, and gave it to all civs, made the Longbowman the English UU, and made a Crossbowman unit to replace them. During the medieval times, Pikemen were used for defense (as they are in the game), but there were also offensive units. The ancient 2,000 year old Swordsman is a good canidate for being updgraded. Going from 1000 BC Swordsmen to 1500 AD Musketmen is quite a leap, even for Civ, wouldn't you say?