09-06-2002 17:37									#1
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Which of the currently suggested minister posts are you for. (Note, this poll is just to see if any posts are not needed. Final dicision will be taken later)


These are the posts to vote for.

President (Physically Plays the Game)
Vice-president
Science Advisor (Decides what advances to go for)
Foreign Advisor (Manages Diplomacy)
Millitary Advisor (Conducts War, Stratey)
Trade Advisor (Controls Trade with Other Civs)
City Planner (Manages Cities)
Impirial Expansion (Founds New Cities)
Historian (Logs all inportant info and such)
Public Works Minister(Manages Workers)
Environmental Minister (Battles Global warming and polution)
Financial Minister (Distrubuates the Income on Science, Luxery and Taxes as well as assigning money to different Ministers)

(Sorry, no Banana Minister)

Note that the result of this poll is just to help the planning out.

Timeout: 5 days.

	09-06-2002 18:08									#2
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All except for Trade, Environment (what a joke THAT position would be ) and Finance.

Trade is covered by Foreign Affairs and the tax rate covered by the Science Minister (via the science rate, duh ). Finance may be a good idea, and if we need this or further Ministers (eg a happiness minister - maybe Minister of the Arts?), we can always vote them in when and as they are needed.

	09-06-2002 19:03									#3
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Everything but Environmental Minister. It's useless.

	09-06-2002 19:22									#4
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i didnt vote for public works minister. i would like that position filled by the city planner.

	09-06-2002 19:29									#5
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Did not vote because of lack of experience in this kind of game but my intuition tells me to have limit the number of posts (unless you love meetings and lengthy debates of course).

	09-06-2002 19:35									#6
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quote: Originally posted by UberKruX i didnt vote for public works minister. i would like that position filled by the city planner.

Perhaps, uber, but it is of such a role in Civ3 that it might be necessary to have a separate position (of course they have nothing to do in the beginning).

	09-06-2002 19:36									#7
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i suppose. we shall see how the poll turns out.

	09-06-2002 19:37									#8
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Environmental is useless. And the Public Works may be managed by the City Planner.

One interesting addition: Intelligence Minister (deals with espionage and other assorted things).

	09-06-2002 19:43									#9
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We can always vote for new positions when we need them. Espionage would be a token position for the first term or two in office.

Flexibility people! No need to overcomplicate things from day one!

	09-06-2002 19:59									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Alexnm Environmental is useless. And the Public Works may be managed by the City Planner. One interesting addition: Intelligence Minister (deals with espionage and other assorted things).

I believe that would fall under 'Foreign Affairs'.

	09-06-2002 20:48									#11
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Financial minister has too much power in the balance
Let the ministers of trade and science debate what to do and let the citizens vote for that
Let public works for the city planner
Same thing for environmental
You know, i don't think too much administratives stuff is good for a democracy. I'm french and my country is suffering of this ;-))

	09-06-2002 20:52									#12
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I think we should have governors, once we have around ten cities. WE should start splitting cities into groups of 5-10 cities and have governor for each province. This will take care of the problem of workers' orders and city queues.

	09-06-2002 21:23									#13
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quote: Originally posted by punkbass2000 I think we should have governors, once we have around ten cities. WE should start splitting cities into groups of 5-10 cities and have governor for each province. This will take care of the problem of workers' orders and city queues.

What about the city planner?

	09-06-2002 21:26									#14
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The problem is that Public works are more then improving the Cities, so I don't think that should be put on to governors or Cityplanner, however, they should be able toy request improvements in their area of controll. Still lots of things to do before we know what the positions will be.
However, the positions suggested are only suggestions, and the exact description, and duties for them still has to be drawn up.

	09-06-2002 23:21									#15
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Who didn't vote President?

	09-06-2002 23:22									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Gramphos Who didn't vote President?

come on, admit it!

	10-06-2002 01:25									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Alexnm One interesting addition: Intelligence Minister (deals with espionage and other assorted things).

quote: Originally posted by punkbass2000 I believe that would fall under 'Foreign Affairs'.

Ops, sorry. I did not see that Minister post.

	10-06-2002 01:51									#18
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I say everything except environmental and Financial ministers.

	10-06-2002 03:00									#19
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i propose we have 3 different partys, each party has a prime minister, and the prime minister apoints ministers of all them different things. of course people can split and make their own party!

	10-06-2002 05:03									#20
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why not have as many positions as possible?

	10-06-2002 05:05									#21
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Because including positions that don't help us only make things more cluttered and inefficient. Without that kind of policy, then we could have "Minister of Animals" or something like that.

	10-06-2002 09:59									#22
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Two suggestions: 1) for easier administration, would individual city governors (or district governors for areas with lotsa small cities) be practical? it would give more people an opportunity to participate, but it would create massive delays. scared 2) minister of culture b/c culture is now such a massive part of civ (though i'm not sure what he/she would do)

	10-06-2002 11:59									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Chandragupta Two suggestions: 1) for easier administration, would individual city governors (or district governors for areas with lotsa small cities) be practical? it would give more people an opportunity to participate, but it would create massive delays. scared 2) minister of culture b/c culture is now such a massive part of civ (though i'm not sure what he/she would do)

On 1 well have to wait until we have >5 cities for deciding on that one. Possibly the Cityplanner could have governors under him in his office.

On 2 I think that too, however, nobody had suggested that post when I made the poll.

	10-06-2002 18:22									#24
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NO GOVERNORS!!!

See all AAAC arguments in the civ2 game, in sum, htey overorganize it and take out some of the fun!

The minister of culture would have little to do. THe person most n charge of culture would probably be the city planner

	10-06-2002 18:56									#25
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Emperial expansion and Public works should be included in the City Planners duties.

I don't see what the Environmental minister shall do.

Finances should be duties of the Pres/VP.

All other posts are fine with me.

	10-06-2002 18:57									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph I don't see what the Environmental minister shall do.

ask IW, he wants to protect the Jungle if he gets to that post.

	10-06-2002 23:22									#27
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Trade Advisor is already under Foreign Minister

The following four positions can be summed up with Internal Affairs/Domestic Advisor:
City Planner
Impirial Expansion
Public Works Minister
Environmental Minister
Basically he/she takes care of managing cities and infrastructure (terrain tiles).

Financial Minister - not sure if this should be separate from domestic but maybe should be to prevent too much power in 1 position.
Decides policies regarding rush-building, science funding, treasury maintenance (incl. trades)...


All other positions are good.

	10-06-2002 23:25									#28
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I also recommend creation of a 'Reporter' position that explains and lays out what has happened in the game for us.

	10-06-2002 23:28									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Trip I also recommend creation of a 'Reporter' position that explains and lays out what has happened in the game for us.

This might be a job for the VP as he has little to do right now.

	11-06-2002 00:16									#30
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the Imp advisor has to fix liberated citys that are far away, thats probubly gunna be islands off the coast of another continent, and front line citys (newly captured/citys under heavy seige).

Foreign advisors kinda gunna act like an Embassidor, telling the prez, and the people how he thinks the other civs will react, and is gunna use quite a bit of money to survay citys.

An enviromentalist minister is gunna try to think up other ways to get the same result for a city, other than chopping down 200square miles of forest and building mines and forts in it! (He'd probubly tell you to build another city in a place with no forests, and use it to build things instead of that other city. And leave the forest alone cuz it slows down incoming armys!)

Domestic minister (home secutery) deals with citys in the homeland, polution problems, and newly captured citys that are so far from the front line that the imperial minister is going to have to much work. (polution problems means any polution thats broken out, and alocating workers to clean it up!).