09-06-2002 19:50									#1
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do ships get any bonus for being fortified in the water?

	09-06-2002 22:39									#2
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Not sure whether they get a defensive bonus, but they *do* get an increased vision range, at least for modern ships. I havn't tested it out on wooden ships yet.

	10-06-2002 00:47									#3
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quote: Originally posted by UberKruX do ships get any bonus for being fortified in the water?

no...

	10-06-2002 01:06									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Soren Johnson Firaxis no...

well there ya have it.

	10-06-2002 04:13									#5
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Ah yes, a man of many words. Obviously you never made valedictorian at your graduation, Soren.

	10-06-2002 13:36									#6
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Some people have the talent of saying many words with nothing valuable there, though.

	10-06-2002 15:22									#7
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quote: Some people have the talent of saying many words with nothing valuable there, though.

For any Americans watching and Ms Morrissette, this is ironic.

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	10-06-2002 17:27									#8
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I think if ships were fortified, they should actually get less of a bonus. I mean, fortified would mean staying in one spot, or anchored. And anyone with any knowledge of naval tactics knows that an anchored ship is a dead ship.

	10-06-2002 17:59									#9
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I would think that a fortified ship is simply taking a defensive posture, not anchoring itself. The ships is wandering around in that tile and looking for bad guys. It's on patrol in it's little tile of ocean.

	10-06-2002 22:23									#10
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I like that ships cant get a fortification benefit. There's not alot of ways to "dig in" in water

I would like to see fortified ships with bombard abilities in cities, be treated like arty units and if the city is attacked, they get to lend their bombard shot to the city's defense. I havent had it happen in 1.21, but in 1.17, i took alot of cities that were full of ships and those ships never contributed to defense.

	11-06-2002 01:15									#11
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I don't agree with ships contributing to city defenses. Usually if a ship is in port, it is virtually unmanned. There may be a couple people on board to chase off robbers or sabateours, but there's not enough people on there to man the guns and fight an assault coming from the land.

As for fortifying ships at sea. I don't think they should get a bonus either, Sava seemed to imply that they should get a penalty.

	11-06-2002 01:44									#12
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if I'm at war with a civ and they have an army around the city i'm in port in, my crews better be close to their guns

	11-06-2002 02:17									#13
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there's no such thing as a defensive posture in naval warfare....

	11-06-2002 04:26									#14
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Sure there is. Doesn't work very well though. Just ask the Italians.

	11-06-2002 04:58									#15
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yeah... all I got to say is "Pearl Harbor"!

	11-06-2002 05:38									#16
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Think of ship fortification as not having to pass that ship's move every turn.

	11-06-2002 05:41									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Sava there's no such thing as a defensive posture in naval warfare....

Why not?

I can send my ships out on patrol and they'll intercept targets they find.

Navies always do that.

I never said the ships were in a city tile.

	11-06-2002 09:51									#18
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Ship fortification?! This is utter nonsense! When you think you've heard it all...

	11-06-2002 09:59									#19
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Yes really. This is a rather pointless thread IMO.

	11-06-2002 11:32									#20
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i believe the question has been answered