10-06-2002 23:50									#1
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The following four positions can be summed up with Internal Affairs/Domestic Advisor (or pick a name):

City Planner
Imperial Expansion
Public Works Minister
Environmental Minister

Reason:
All the above deal with the managing cities and infrastructure (terrain tiles). These can be best done if there is a single position for it.

	10-06-2002 23:53									#2
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I feel that the Environmental Minister can be eliminated. The others I can live with, if only to have greater input from the other ministers, the President's 'cabinet', per se.

	11-06-2002 00:01									#3
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I kind of like the idea of the Cityplanner having to work along with the Public Works Minister to get things done right . These two really need to remain seperate as they are both large responsibilities.

Imperial Expansion Minister and City Planner could probably be merged into one, but either way would work well.

Environment Minister: Wasn't that one a joke?

	11-06-2002 00:10									#4
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No Comment @ environmental advisor (but it has ben voted against)

Also the other poll has told that >50 % want these ministers, why shoul we combine them? Whats the meaning of having so many polls on everything (other then that the max options are 16)

	11-06-2002 00:12									#5
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As Gramphos said, we already have a thread where we choose what posts should be included.

	11-06-2002 00:12									#6
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lol Gramphos

	11-06-2002 00:16									#7
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Should we repoll the game setup if random loses?

	11-06-2002 00:25									#8
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Oh, and BTW, if you score >75% of the voters in the Minister Posts poll we might have to take you poll in account, as people might have changed their mind.

Oh, and maybe should say that <50% wants the environmantal minister.

If there should be any more polls on this it should be that we find out that more ministers might be nmeeded.

Also, as I've said before: Their is a reason why we shall have a PW minister, namely that improvements shall be done outsize city areas as well, and might actually be made on the front in wars.

	11-06-2002 00:27									#9
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Oh, and also it will still be the City Planner who asks the PW minister for improvements, and the PW minister then assigns workers to those projects, and maybe also draws up the final project orders, however the Cityplanner can request with specific orders as well. Cooperation between the ministers is very important.

	11-06-2002 02:22									#10
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If it is clear from polls that >50% support an option or options, then that(those) option(s) have majority support and must be taken as writ!

We don't want to start the game by ignoring Democratic results!

	11-06-2002 02:29									#11
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Public works and environment DEFINATELY are redundant and should be combined, and to a lesser extent those two and city planner. I think it should be City Planner and Imperial Expansion.

	11-06-2002 02:33									#12
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quote: Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt If it is clear from polls that >50% support an option or options, then that(those) option(s) have majority support and must be taken as writ! We don't want to start the game by ignoring Democratic results!

If they get over 50% but are suggested to be combined in here.

(Note that the Environmental minister won't get >50% support)

I suggest that we run without then until whe have >= 5 workers. Then we test a PW minister for two terms and evaluates the result.

	11-06-2002 11:01									#13
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I think public works minister and city manager are the two positions to be in.
the only work for imperial expansion minister is finding the position for new citys ? that should be done by the president, adviced by military adv and city planner.

	11-06-2002 13:44									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Timeline I kind of like the idea of the Cityplanner having to work along with the Public Works Minister to get things done right . These two really need to remain seperate as they are both large responsibilities. Imperial Expansion Minister and City Planner could probably be merged into one, but either way would work well.

I agree completely! And remove the environmentalist thing

	11-06-2002 19:08									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Gramphos If they get over 50% but are suggested to be combined in here. (Note that the Environmental minister won't get >50% support) I suggest that we run without then until whe have >= 5 workers. Then we test a PW minister for two terms and evaluates the result.

the reason i put this up separately was because i didn't know which of the 4 to vote for/against - i thought only one (or 2) of them was necessary to meet all the functions required


from the response, I think we should cluster Imp Exp and City Planner into one.
Environment minister doesn't matter til late late game (if at all) so forget it for now. it could go under PW anyways.

	11-06-2002 19:16									#16
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may I point out that the reason for having all three positions was to make it easier for all three ministers. not to mention add diversity to the group advising the President. by combining all three you'll only put more preasure on one person, and make two fewer perspectives for the President to consider.