12-06-2002 05:26									#1
	Election: Minister of Imperial Expansion Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

This is the election poll thread for the Minister of Imperial Expansion race.
Duration: 5 days, 06/15
Canidates: atawa, Chandragupta, Timeline, Jonny, Gen. Hancock

	12-06-2002 05:50									#2
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Campaign Summery:

I value early land grabbing because it leaves options for our people, and allows us to be a large nation without having to go into an early war if we don't want. My plan of strong early expansion will ensure that we as the people, have the option to play the game however we want (peacefully or militaristically).

By voting for me, you will be ensuring that our cities are placed in the most efficient manner possible, with very little land wasted.

I will colonize jungle/desert/tundra areas only when all more valuable locations are settled.

I value strategic, bonus, and luxury resources and will see to it that they are used in the best manner possible.

Also, I understand the importance of waterside cities to ensure our civ's naval superiority, and I i wll lay out our cities to include "panama" type tiles in order that we may be effective in our maritime maneuvers.

Before I conclude I just want to say, should I be elected for this position, I will make informing and listening to the people my TOP and NUMBER 1 Priority as Imperial Expansion Minister. I plan to post detailed information and maps of our expansion area, along with suggestions and remarks, BUT I WILL GIVE YOU, THE PEOPLE, the Final say in all matters. Elect me, and I will be active in getting all the people involved, and everyone will have a say.


Vote for Timeline, and put our nation in line for cities that stand the test of time

Last edited by Timeline on 12-06-2002 at 09:20

	12-06-2002 06:07									#3
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Obviously one would want rapid early expansion, but there's more to Imperial Expansion. Preventing other (esp more powerful) civs from setting up encleves in the middle of a hole in an empire is critical, because not only would it be embarassing to a nation, but strategicly unsound as well. Also a civ needs resources badly therefore cities placed to absorb a desert might seem wasteful early on but might be valuable for oil later on.

Chandragupta's empire spanned the lands from northern Afghanistan to the Bay of Bengal, and if I am elected I will aid in the creation of one just as glorious. (i.e., vote for me!)

	12-06-2002 06:09									#4
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My Views on Expansion:

I strive for maximum efficency, with little overlap but few unused squares. I will break this pattern, however, in certain situations (such as when I build a city near an enemy city to try to culture flip a resource).

I think expanding to get land and resources while keeping the land up to date with improvments is important, but getting lots and lots of land is important as well, and I try to balance those.

I build in jungle/desert/tundra after all the good city sites are taken in the hopes that a resource will appear there, and so an AI won't build there.

I strive to claim luxury/strategic/bonus resources with our cities, so others can't have them.

I believe in very little overlap, which means each of our cities are further apart, which claims more land for us.

I believe in building many cities on the coast to give our navies more mobility.

I like to build many cities on our borders with our neighbors to 'culture blitz' them and get cities to flip to our side.

I believe in listening to the people and being friendly.

So, vote for Jonny, the best choice for the Empire!

Last edited by Jonny on 12-06-2002 at 07:57

	12-06-2002 06:13									#5
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sorry timeline, i was gonna vote for you but then jonny came along and he's a bit less expansionist than you, just eniugh less o be better...

	12-06-2002 06:14									#6
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I encourage everyone not to be brash with their votes. I have yet to vote in any election (except where the Almighty Banana is present ), because I feel I want to wait and make sure who will support me and my ideas first, and who's ideas I'm sure are what I agree with.

	12-06-2002 06:16									#7
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I voted for Jonny because he was the last person to tell me to vote for him. Better luck next time guys.

	12-06-2002 06:25									#8
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only people i've voted for without seeing their ideas and those of the other guy(s) are the ones in uncontested election. I don't like the banana, we got in a fight and he broke both my legs when we were little

	12-06-2002 06:48									#9
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DO any of you support cities being close together? I would vote for that person. Jonny appears to be out in my view.

	12-06-2002 06:55									#10
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I support long "walks" on the beach with hot women? Should I run for the Coast Guard leader?

	12-06-2002 07:02									#11
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quote: Originally posted by punkbass2000 DO any of you support cities being close together? I would vote for that person. Jonny appears to be out in my view.

I agree with close city placement in most situations, much denser culture, easier to move units from nearby city to bolster another city... gives you a productive edge in building units early on.

	12-06-2002 07:27									#12
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Excellent question, so as to not turn this election thread into another arena of debate, I have posted my answer for you here

(p.s. TechWins: But I was the first, doesn't that count for anything )

(p.s. vote for me )

	12-06-2002 07:31									#13
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Just thought I'd point it out, but thanks Timeline for not bogging down the elections with explanations/debates. Outlining your position in your first post is best, but anything else is left to other threads.

	12-06-2002 08:09									#14
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My counterpoint to what Timeline said can be found here.

	12-06-2002 09:20									#15
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I think it's important to decide what happens if there is no majority winner. I started the discussion on the pre-election thread (too lazy to link it is topped tho)

	12-06-2002 10:24									#16
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Timelines views for expansion are by far the best

	12-06-2002 12:53									#17
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Libertarian2004. Are you related to any other people who have posted at Poly?

	12-06-2002 14:05									#18
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If election threads aren't for debate and campaigning, what are they for (Posts wise)?? Bumps, and saying "I voted for Bob!"???!?

	12-06-2002 18:01									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Wojit If election threads aren't for debate and campaigning, what are they for (Posts wise)?? Bumps, and saying "I voted for Bob!"???!?

LOL I agree, why not debate here. I dont want to have to search for the bazillion campaign threads.

	12-06-2002 18:46									#20
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Go Timeline

	12-06-2002 18:54									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Wojit If election threads aren't for debate and campaigning, what are they for (Posts wise)?? Bumps, and saying "I voted for Bob!"???!?

People are going to post/spam either way, it's a way to try and cut that down in these threads which have been created solely for the purpose of voting for ministers. If I could have locked the threads as soon as I made them, then I would have, but I can't.

	12-06-2002 23:16									#22
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Can we please have all Election threads topped?

btw: does SPAM stand for anything, and what exactly does it mean?

	12-06-2002 23:30									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Timeline Can we please have all Election threads topped?

Working on it.

	12-06-2002 23:58									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Timeline btw: does SPAM stand for anything, and what exactly does it mean?

It stands for Stupid Person's AdvertiseMent and means unwanted commercial ads. To spam a forum means to flood it with meaningless and irrelevant stuff, just to try to get attention... Considering this, most people spam. Including everyone who's posting here .

	13-06-2002 03:49									#25
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Atawa, I'm with you, because you, like civman, have experience in this position and will make the game start up more smoothly.

	14-06-2002 06:38									#26
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I voted for Timeline bc his view in expansion will provide a good start, that is VERY important in a civ game, I hav found, and also the good resource thing

GO TIMELINE!!

	14-06-2002 12:00									#27
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In the early stages of a game, it's pretty much a matter of either expanding as fast as you can, or setting yourself up for a slow trip down a side track, quite possibly with a dead end somewhere up ahead...

I voted for Timeline.

	14-06-2002 22:36									#28
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Thanks to everyone who has voted for me . At this point I am announcing my claim to victory over this election, and shall begin my first actions as Imperial Expansion Minister.

Jonny, well fought. As my first official action, I have decided to create a new post in the Expansion Bureau, Deputy Minister of Expansion. This officer will work closely with me and parley with me on city expansion. Jonny, I am extending my offer of this position to you. I await your answer.

Also as IE Minister, I strongly suggest the creation of a “Board of Territorial Development and Expansion”. It should include the City Planner, Public Works Minister, and the Imperial Expansion Minister, and would serve as a place of essential communication between these closely linked positions. Out of my pledge to obey the people’s will, however, I will await a favorable response, and affirmative votes from the other involved representatives, before officially founding this board. Please see the thread here for discussion.

I would just like to say, once again, thank you people of Apolytonia!!! Truly, you have set our nation on the track of success.

	15-06-2002 19:40									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Pythagoras LOL I agree, why not debate here. I dont want to have to search for the bazillion campaign threads.

Oh, that's right! Let the intellectuals have the greates influence through their high level civic debates.
Well, and some power to the people too...

	15-06-2002 21:09									#30
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Timeline . . . FOR the people!!!

- Thank you