12-06-2002 19:17									#31
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The fact is that black people prefer to watch other black people on TV, and white people prefer to watch other white people. Most of the top shows among black audiences are shows featuring blacks, and vice versa for whites.

Theres nothing racist about a black entertainment channel IMO, they are just catering to a specific audience.

	12-06-2002 19:26									#32
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 pretty soon most americans will be black

What makes you think that?! That is a very ignorant comment. Do you think when a black person and a person of another race mix that the offspring is black?! If all the races in the US mixed to a point where everyone was the same color, I can assure you they would not be black. More like a light brown.

	12-06-2002 19:36									#33
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	12-06-2002 19:40									#34
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 isnt it funny than "hispanic" culture has not the repsresentation that the black one has?

As usual, you have no clue what you are talking about.

In addition to BET, Cablevision, a New York area cable TV provider, carries Telemundo (spanish language TV out of LA directed at Latinos) and PBT (Portuguese language TV).

	12-06-2002 20:40									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Guynemer What's the point of discussing if you've already stated that you won't listen to the reason why BET exists?

Becuase there is no station called "White Entertainment Television" nor could there be, as it would be labeled racist, and just because some stations have a lot of shows with white characters does not mean that they are stations for the white race.

It's a cop out argument and I get sick of seeing every race related thread answered by "well whites are more powerful and everything in America is already white, so it's only fair that there be something for blacks"

UPN has a lot of "Black" shows, but it's not called a "Black Network". I like some of the programs they show. Why does BET have to call themselves that name?

	12-06-2002 20:45									#36
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quote: Originally posted by orange UPN has a lot of "Black" shows, but it's not called a "Black Network". I like some of the programs they show. Why does BET have to call themselves that name?

They are just appealing to a specific audience. I dont see anything wrong with it.

You are right about the double standard though. No channel would dare call themselves the "white entertainment channel", its just not PC. There are channels that intentionally appeal to white audiences, but they would never admit it so bluntly.

	12-06-2002 21:13									#37
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quote: and white people prefer to watch other white people

Or in my case, pretty much exclusively yellow people...
doh!

	12-06-2002 21:19									#38
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quote: Originally posted by orange BET = Black Entertainment Television Is it racist to specify that a station is for the entertainment of a certain race?

I don't think BET specifies their programming is solely to be viewed by Black people.

quote: Does it imply that all shows on that station are geared to a certain race?

I think it implies that the programming is geared towards a cultural group that has been traditionally neglected by mainstream television in the past.

quote: Does it mean that all members of that race like and enjoy the types of programs seen on that station?

Do all white people like CBS? Silly question, of course it doesn't in any way imply that.

quote: You'd never get away with White Entertainment Television.

No, but a cable network oriented towards Irish-Americans, or German-Americans, or French-Americans wouldn't be a problem, IMO. We already have Hispanic channels galore.

quote: Spare the "everything is white entertainment television" responses, please.

There's nothing invalid about pointing out how television has, for much of its history, presented a white world-view.

	12-06-2002 21:20									#39
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quote: Originally posted by orange UPN has a lot of "Black" shows, but it's not called a "Black Network".

You wanna bet.

	12-06-2002 21:23									#40
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quote: Originally posted by orange UPN has a lot of "Black" shows, but it's not called a "Black Network". I like some of the programs they show. Why does BET have to call themselves that name?

Please explore the dates as to when UPN was started and when it began such programming vis-a-vis the start of BET. You'll find BET predates UPN by many, many years.

It was established to fill a niche in the television market which was, at the time, very unfilled.

	12-06-2002 21:29									#41
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quote: Originally posted by orange UPN has a lot of "Black" shows, but it's not called a "Black Network".

Not for long. If UPN survives it will begin replacing its black shows with more and more white ones, the way FOX and the WB have.

	12-06-2002 21:30									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Boshko Or in my case, pretty much exclusively yellow people... doh!

I think the only white person in the simpsons is that sickly kid who throws up all the time...........RACISM!!!!

	12-06-2002 21:30									#43
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I think Orange and Caligastia entered a pact whereby Orange would start all the race threads for a while to take heat of Cali's back.

	12-06-2002 21:32									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Carver I think Orange and Caligastia entered a pact whereby Orange would start all the race threads for a while to take heat of Cali's back.

Hey! Thats not a bad idea...

	12-06-2002 21:33									#45
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Even though UPN is relatively new, before it existed there were independent networks that showed mostly Paramount shows like Star Trek. It was the same with the WB.

	12-06-2002 23:29									#46
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Boris - CNN does not claim to be a "White network". Just because you feel that it gives mainly the white POV doesn't mean that that is actually the case. Its coverage is worldwide, and I've seen African American anchors and whatnot on the station many times.

Cal - they're onto us!

Why can't a guy start a thread about something racially linked without automatically being seen as a racist?

	12-06-2002 23:31									#47
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Who was talking about CNN?

	12-06-2002 23:34									#48
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er, sorry, you said CBS. Well same points, minus the world wide coverage, etc.

	12-06-2002 23:42									#49
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quote: Originally posted by orange Why can't a guy start a thread about something racially linked without automatically being seen as a racist?

Because race is a big taboo...and this forum has too many PC morons.

	12-06-2002 23:43									#50
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Just keep this in mind:

White Entertainment Network = WET

People would probably think it's an ENTIRELY different kind of network.

	12-06-2002 23:45									#51
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you're right Boris, until recently I thought the "SPICE Channel" was akin to "Food TV"

	12-06-2002 23:47									#52
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Wait, you mean it's not?

Does that mean I should be afraid of that chocolate panties recipe I got off of Spice?

	13-06-2002 02:38									#53
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quote: Not for long. If UPN survives it will begin replacing its black shows with more and more white ones, the way FOX and the WB have.

Because those 'white' ones draw more ratings and make more money ?

There are shows staring blacks that do have crossover appeal, but they are few and far between (Cosby Show comes to mind).

	13-06-2002 06:11									#54
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quote: Originally posted by orange Becuase there is no station called "White Entertainment Television" nor could there be, as it would be labeled racist, and just because some stations have a lot of shows with white characters does not mean that they are stations for the white race. It's a cop out argument and I get sick of seeing every race related thread answered by "well whites are more powerful and everything in America is already white, so it's only fair that there be something for blacks" UPN has a lot of "Black" shows, but it's not called a "Black Network". I like some of the programs they show. Why does BET have to call themselves that name?

"White culture" isn't a subculture; it's the dominant culture of the US. Therefore, to label something "White ET" implies a sense of exclusionism. If blacks comprised 70 or 80% of the population and exerted the same degree of control over the mass media that whites do, then BET would be racist. If you want to make a "Scottish Entertainment Network" or the "Italian Culture Channel", then it's fine with me.

In other words, white American culture differs so little from general American culture that there's no justification for a whites-only channel.

	13-06-2002 21:01									#55
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but is it really a channel about Black Culture? No...it's not. A channel about black culture wouldn't really bother me in the sense that a station about culture does not imply exclusion. To call a station "Black Entertainment Television" makes it sound like the station is for the entertainment of blacks only. Furthermore saying that all blacks enjoy what is shown on the station, which I assure you is far from the truth. In fact I'd say there are more whites in the nation that listen to Hardcore rap than blacks (by numbers) yet the station plays rap music a lot.

	13-06-2002 21:13									#56
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quote: In fact I'd say there are more whites in the nation that listen to Hardcore rap than blacks (by numbers) yet the station plays rap music a lot.

No doubt. Rap didn't take off until middle class white kids started buying it.

I love the rappers that rap about racial in-equalities and racism and whos pockets are being lined by the very people they say are degrading them

	14-06-2002 06:30									#57
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quote: Originally posted by orange To call a station "Black Entertainment Television" makes it sound like the station is for the entertainment of blacks only.

What do you mean sounds like? Any white person caught watching BET will be lynched. No white viewers allowed.

Where in the world do you get the idea that this is entertainment only for Blacks?

And basically, your complaint is that the name BET is politically incorrect.

	14-06-2002 06:35									#58
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quote: Any white person caught watching BET will be lynched. No white viewers allowed.

	14-06-2002 06:40									#59
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Yes... but seriously, who cares?

	14-06-2002 08:56									#60
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Personally I don't have a problem with BET. BET is cenralizing tastes to a certain group, and the majority race of that certain group is probably black. There's nothing wrong with that.

However, there is a huge problem with the fact that there can't be a WET. I could really careless if there is a WET or not, but the fact that it would create such an upstir is amazing. Just the other day I watched an old SNL (Saturday Night Live), and Chris Rock had a popular skit going on around that time. I'll admitt I think the skit is funny. The skit is based around how white people have no "rhythym"/"soul"/"groove" (whatever you want to call it...I don't know) and black people do. Kevin Bacon was the host that night, and he appeared on the skit as Vanilla Ice. Chric Rock made fun of him for saying that a white person can't (shouldn't) act like he does. It all went something like that. Yeah, I have no problem with that. It's that if a similar skit were created having a white host for the skit, and the skit instead making fun of blacks it would be labeled racism. IMO, it should be a two way street and there needs to be more tollerance within ALL racists.

All in all no big deal for me, but I thought I would add my input.