12-06-2002 09:35									#1
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BET = Black Entertainment Television

Is it racist to specify that a station is for the entertainment of a certain race? Does it imply that all shows on that station are geared to a certain race? Does it mean that all members of that race like and enjoy the types of programs seen on that station?

You'd never get away with White Entertainment Television. Spare the "everything is white entertainment television" responses, please.

Discuss.

	12-06-2002 09:36									#2
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If it's funny, then the answer is no.

	12-06-2002 09:51									#3
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	12-06-2002 09:54									#4
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No more so than my local public-access ethnic channel is.

In other words, everything is white entertainment television.

	12-06-2002 09:55									#5
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what is "Black entertainment"?

	12-06-2002 09:56									#6
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Entertainment by, for and about the black community in the US.

	12-06-2002 09:57									#7
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"Is Black Entertainment Television Racist?"
Gee, I wonder!

	12-06-2002 09:57									#8
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I don't like where these types of arguments go. Too many sterotypes. I don't mean only of minorities, but white people too.

	12-06-2002 10:02									#9
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Entertainment by, for and about the black community in the US.

Can you then define "Black Community" and also tell what is 'for' and 'about' it?

I don't understand how one specific type of entertainment can fit a race. People have different tastes. Despite what some may think, not all black people live in ghettos and listen to hardcore rap music.

	12-06-2002 10:04									#10
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orange... all that TV stuff with many blacks running around in it and only a few whites, that is black entertainment. I hate when people demand exact definitions to just everything.

common sense!

	12-06-2002 10:06									#11
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And not all Lebanese people are fully immersed in Lebanese culture either. That doesn't make it racist to have a show (or channel) devoted to Lebanese culture.

Black history and culture in the US aren't completely separate from the white culture they're dissolved in, but they are a distinct entity. Blacks weren't even given the chance to integrate into the larger American culture until something like 35 or 40 years ago, and socioeconomics has kept a lot of them from doing so till this day...

	12-06-2002 10:08									#12
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quote: Originally posted by orange not all black people live in ghettos and listen to hardcore rap music.

but some do, and that can be real easy to make fun of at times

	12-06-2002 10:10									#13
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Orange, is it racist to have any show devoted to an ethnic subculture?

If they had (which they do here, by the way) shows about white subcultures ("Scots!", "Erin Weekly", etc.) then I would be giving you the same answer...

	12-06-2002 10:12									#14
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Orange, is it racist to have any show devoted to an ethnic subculture?

Yes, any time you differenciate between races it's racist.

But the bad connotations that are brought along with the term are not always true.

	12-06-2002 10:16									#15
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Asher, that usage of the terms "racism" is better headed under "racialism". "Racism" tends to denote a belief in the superiority of the one over the other, rather than a simple distinction based on race.

	12-06-2002 11:19									#16
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You should come to South East Michigan. It is funny how different TV commercials cater to the varied demographics of the area. And most of them aren't multi-racial either; one ad will be directed to one racial group, and the next will be totally biased towards another.

But it sorta makes sense (in the corporate perspective), since there is still an overall racial seperation here.

	12-06-2002 12:42									#17
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse And not all Lebanese people are fully immersed in Lebanese culture either. That doesn't make it racist to have a show (or channel) devoted to Lebanese culture.

The major difference, which you almost touched on, is that Lebanon is a country. It is also a small country with a government run channel close to lots of other countries which also have a government run channel that people in Lebanon watch. If America was a small country in Europe, I would want to see the American channel to. But the other thing is, there are other "races" in Lebanon. My husband's boss is Armenian, but he grew up in Lebanon, and I'm sure he enjoys Lebanese TV more than he does Russian or Armenian TV (?).

I think that BET is mostly racist against blacks. It proliferates and extends stereotypes, not to mention regenerating racist positivism, the biggest form of racism in the US. If you're trying to say "We're all the same and should be treated like it," then it's incredibly detrimental to continue stressing how different we are.

	12-06-2002 16:21									#18
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You've drawn an artificial distinction. There's also a Kurdish show here, and if I'm not mistaken, a Flemish one as well.

Not to say that being black in America is comparable to being a Kurd in Iraq or Turkey, but it is a legitimate subculture, and if some people want to run a network devoted to it then it doesn't bother me at all...

	12-06-2002 16:23									#19
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wont be a subcutlure for long. pretty soon most americans will be black and they wont have a need to label things "black" anymore.

	12-06-2002 16:31									#20
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Hispanics are growing faster than blacks, IIRC...

	12-06-2002 16:32									#21
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isnt it funny than "hispanic" culture has not the repsresentation that the black one has?

that's because of the language barrier i think.

	12-06-2002 16:37									#22
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It's also because of the backlash against Jim Crow.

Blacks are the token minority of choice, as someone else here put it.

	12-06-2002 16:38									#23
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jim crow?

	12-06-2002 16:41									#24
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It's what the Americans called their version of Apartheid...

	12-06-2002 18:35									#25
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quote: Originally posted by tandeetaylor I think that BET is mostly racist against blacks. It proliferates and extends stereotypes, not to mention regenerating racist positivism, the biggest form of racism in the US. If you're trying to say "We're all the same and should be treated like it," then it's incredibly detrimental to continue stressing how different we are.

Have you ever watched BET to make that claim?

Personally, I don't care whether it catters to a Black audience. I'm far more conserned about the fact that it uses unfair labor practices and is an anti-labor shop. I catagorically refuse to watch it.

	12-06-2002 18:36									#26
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse It's what the Americans called their version of Apartheid...

HEY! Apartheid was modeled on Jim Crow, not the other way around. Apartheid is South Africa's version of Jim Crow, get it right!

	12-06-2002 18:55									#27
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quote: Originally posted by orange BET = Black Entertainment Television Is it racist to specify that a station is for the entertainment of a certain race? Does it imply that all shows on that station are geared to a certain race? Does it mean that all members of that race like and enjoy the types of programs seen on that station? You'd never get away with White Entertainment Television. Spare the "everything is white entertainment television" responses, please. Discuss.

No.
No.
No.

BTW, the Fox Entertainment Channel (aka Fox News) is the White Entertainment Television perfecta that you talk about. And, distrubingly, Fox was built with shows that originally catered to African Americans, then as soon as they had a suficient base FOX began catering to whites and then all white Fox "News" was introduced exclusively for conservative whites.

Note: quotes are required around "news" because Fox News is nothing more than a televised editorial page.

	12-06-2002 19:05									#28
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quote: Originally posted by orange BET = Black Entertainment Television Is it racist to specify that a station is for the entertainment of a certain race? Does it imply that all shows on that station are geared to a certain race? Does it mean that all members of that race like and enjoy the types of programs seen on that station? You'd never get away with White Entertainment Television. Spare the "everything is white entertainment television" responses, please.

It's not racist to specify a station for a certain race, because there is only one race watching the TV: HUMANS!

So no.

You cannot decide from blood nor dna, wether the person is black, white, yellow, red or a mixture of these. This race=colour is incorrect old idea, which sticks on people like glue.

	12-06-2002 19:12									#29
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Theres also a womans entertainment channel too, I suppose its sexist?

Who cares? Theres hundreds of channels to choose from out there and most target a specific group.

I guarantee many blacks don't even find BET appealing. Just as many women think lifetime is crap. I think TNT, with its Braves games, wrestling and Dukes of Hazzards, obviously for the good ol white boys is pretty dull.

If you don't like what ya see, change the channel

	12-06-2002 19:15									#30
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quote: Originally posted by orange Spare the "everything is white entertainment television" responses, please. Discuss.

What's the point of discussing if you've already stated that you won't listen to the reason why BET exists?