25-07-2002 20:48									#31
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I remember first getting CivII... then I saw this TOT and thought? Extra maps? Cool!

Had to get it once I heard of it... even went out and got an emulator so I could play the dang thing (Mac user here.)

TOT actually runs quite well on my old G4... I almost always play it for one of the mod packs rather than the original game, but those mod packs are worth every cent I spent.

CivIII, on the other hand, doesn't support very good multiplayer (if any from what I've heard about it) along with all the other things that you all have already mentioned.

	07-08-2002 16:48									#32
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risking some bashing I nevertheless wanted to say:

CtP2 also has scenarios and mods and even more, an active community working on it - so you might want to have a look, that's up to you!

P.S. I never played TOT, so what do I know...

	07-08-2002 17:04									#33
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I wouldn't beat up on you for liking CtP2. Heck, I hang out in AC-Fiction, I have no right to mock anybody! Just a little joshing towards AC-Fiction, sorry.

But yeah, I hear Call to Power has a lot of modification and customization going for it. If that's your thing then good for you.

	07-08-2002 20:04									#34
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CtP does have a lot of open features... however it wasn't as widely accepted as TOT was... especially CtP2.

CtP1, on the other hand, seems to have a wider acceptance... at least the CtP1 community is still going strong...

	08-08-2002 00:39									#35
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Why does it have to be I love this game but hate the game you like? Why not just play them all? Any civ type game in my book is cool with me!

	08-08-2002 14:09									#36
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quote: Why not just play them all? Any civ type game in my book is cool with me!

Because they take too much space on the hard drive. That is why I uninstalled CptP2 (there weren't too many mods at that time, and the game pitiful AI cries for mods to correct it). I never installed it again because ToT offered enough for me to be happy. Plus I can play scenarios and OCC in ToT whereas OCC in CtP2 is impossible (the science victory requires your owning half the world so it is rather pointless). Still, if I had the time, I'd probably reinstall CtP2 and try some mods, but time I have not...

	08-08-2002 19:44									#37
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I agree that civ-type games are cool in general, none actually "suck" however some are just more fun to play than others...

	08-08-2002 22:12									#38
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You're all right - as freaking fan of CtP2 I was just as always trying to advertise when I stumbled over this thread. Actually I'm rather interested to play ToT once but so far I don't know anybody in my neighborhood who's got it.
Well, see you on the CtP2 Forums, because that's where I'll be!

	15-08-2002 08:38									#39
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I'm finishing a mod I have been playtesting... It makes ToT a little more realistic IMO. I redid the tech tree, and tweeked unit abilities and made some new ones and deleted some old ones... I also have a lot of custom maps I made. They are primarily earth-like, a mixture of continents and isles.

	17-08-2002 02:28									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Sava I'm finishing a mod I have been playtesting... It makes ToT a little more realistic IMO. I redid the tech tree, and tweeked unit abilities and made some new ones and deleted some old ones... I also have a lot of custom maps I made. They are primarily earth-like, a mixture of continents and isles.

Very interesting
Is there somewhere me might soon download and try your mod.
I am sure you might find here as many happy testers as you wish
What is the size of your maps by the way ?

	17-08-2002 14:34									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Julius Brenzaida Is there somewhere me might soon download and try your mod. I am sure you might find here as many happy testers as you wish

Absolutely!!!

	02-09-2002 19:08									#42
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Give 7 years of experience to Civ III and you will obtain your next Test of Time

	03-09-2002 03:49									#43
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Now there would be a cool idea! With the ease of scenario making, and multiple maps...

	03-09-2002 10:32									#44
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"Give 7 years of experience to Civ III and you will obtain your next Test of Time": that's the less they could do !!!

but i had hope that all the 5-6 years of experience given by Civ2 addons and ToT (and Call to Power) would soon be use for Civ3 !!!!

i don't wait a Civ3 without a goodmap editor, without civ start locations, without easy units editor.... without scenario creation possibilities !!!

	03-10-2002 21:51									#45
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quote: ToT is the highest development of the Civ genre...so far.

No way!! Civ Call to Power 2 is the highest development of the civ genre so far without a doubt,

CtP2 takes the civ series where no other civ has gone before (my god that sounds lame) but its true

especially with all the mods and massive moding capabilites with CtP2 through using SLIC.
Not just most moddable civ game but easily the most moddable game around just behind half life probably
Its amazing


However i would still play ToT over Civ3 anyday.

The only thing that is in ToT that isnt in CtP2 is the capability to have multiple maps which fundementally is good if it where implemented better, other than that the game is backwards in every other way and the graphics are awfull. And the SFX is just horrible. +the gameplay is awkward mainly relating to the Windows style GUI.

	04-10-2002 16:27									#46
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I've heard good things about CTP2, especially with the modpacks, but never have tried it. From what I understand, however, no one designs scenarios for it. If true, is there a reason for the lack, or is just inertia?

	04-10-2002 17:09									#47
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You heard right Boco, CtP2 so underestimated partly due to the bugs it originally had, the bugs ctp1 had and the inbalances ctp1 had (ppl think generally ctp2 would be same as ctp1 so dont bother playing it)

Well the vaste majority of bugs from ctp1 were fixed, but with any mod that you download (egMM2,Cradle,WAW.SAP) etc ALL!!! these bugs have been fixed (which people dont take not of) and as well as that loads of new events actions units wonders etc etc have been added too its just the ultimate civ game. Anyway ill stop ranting on and give you a link to all the scenarios that are out and upcomming for ctp2

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=61175

This doesnt include the 5 official Activision scenarios (WW2,Nuke (modern one), Alexandra the gret, Great samurai and another one i cant remember, Magellan one or something.

P.S. Take particular note of Pedrunn's space scenario (total game overhaul new GUI and everything)

	04-10-2002 23:50									#48
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Scripting events in scenarios for CtP2 is somewhat more difficult that Civ2, its done through a SLIC script, but if you post what you want to achieve on the forum someone will tell you how to do it in no time, not me though 'cause im thick. But the mods are actually scenarios in themselves.

Whats this Magellan scenario your talking about smiffgig?

	14-10-2002 13:53									#49
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I just got an old laptop (PII 233) and installed ToT on it.

I haven't played it in a long time- not since I got addicted to SMAX, and not since the disappointment of Civ3.

But I do remember having more fun in ToT than in any other TBS game to date.

Anyone wanna play some PBEM? :P


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I break my sentences up like that: I don't know why

	23-10-2002 08:46									#50
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ToT is better than Civ3...and MGE is better than ToT. Theoretically ToT is better but in practice (ie no one plays it and it isn't backward compatible with MGE) ToT sucks.

	24-10-2002 11:56									#51
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Since you can use CivConverter to convert older Civ2 scenarios to ToT, the compatibility issue isn't much of a problem.

	24-10-2002 12:51									#52
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But can someone with ToT play a multiplayer game with someone who is using MGE?

	24-10-2002 18:35									#53
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No clue... ToT is more for the scenarios and different challenge... I would think that if you played in the classic version of the game it'd be possible.

	25-10-2002 05:29									#54
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I think the real problem with ToT is that it was flogging a dead horse, there had already been too many versions of Civ 2 released, so no one wanted to buy it when it came out, I did but I wish I hadn't wasted the money on something that was incompatible with just about all the good scenarios out at the time.

	25-10-2002 14:09									#55
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The incompatability is what really killed it. That, and no PBEM.

	25-10-2002 21:33									#56
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There is a utility out there called CivConverter which can convert pre-ToT scenarios to ToT...

http://coc.apolyton.net/utilities/index.shtml

I don't think it's the "incompatibility" that killed it (conversion is quite possible, but nobody seems to even care, they'd rather be lazy and get MGE because everybody seems to have that), it's the graphics that killed it (even though nobody seems to want to admit it, graphics are an important part of a game, and just about the first thing you see of a game too).

No PBEM? I didn't know that... Really?

	25-10-2002 23:31									#57
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*nods* I'd agree it was the graphics...

I thought MP was possible on ToT...

	26-10-2002 02:42									#58
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Gotta hand it to them. Made 24(?) bit color look worse than 256. Then used a proprietary format for sprites. Then fixed the unit key in the middle of the square above the unit.

Still that improved macro language, larger events heap, multiple maps.... Make it a scenario designer's dream (well sans editing tools). Those features and some subtle (cough) evangelism by Tec did it for me.