13-06-2002 07:21									#1
	New unit idea-Nuclear Bomber Full PM-box? Change here!

I know most people would say "This is pointless" but what do you guys think of a nuclear bomber like the B-58 or B-47 or something? It would have a purpose. It should be available before sams, so it would have a purpose. It would also be a lot cheaper than an ICBM. I have no idea how to make units in general, how do you it? And besides that how would you make a bomber that could carry nukes and not have high defense but have a low interception rate. The b-58 was the first US mach 2 plane and could outfly everything trying to intercept it. Of course it became obsolete after sams, but wouldn't it be cool?

	13-06-2002 09:02									#2
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yeah, it probably would be "cool", and yeah, ive thought about adding this kind of unit into my games.. but i kept running into one basic problem...

The plane isn't "kamikaze" by nature, so it would survive its own deliverance of a nuker, right? And we can't set it so that the plane actually carries a nuke over, and drops it (i hope im right there)...

so your only option is make it a kamikaze nuke plane? Or (and im not sure if it is or isnt possible) make it a plane whose regular bombing is nukes.

Either way, you are either making a plane not any better than cruise missles...

or your making a unit SO powerful, that it should cost thousands of shields more than an ICBM. A nuke every turn is crazy.

i dunno, those were the issues i thought of when i thought of making this unit. feel free to prove them wrong, i would love to have sucha unit afterall.

	13-06-2002 09:29									#3
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Just make a bomber that carries a Tactical Nuke. Other than that, you could only have kamikaze nuke planes, since there's really no other way to represent the idea in Civ a the moment.

	13-06-2002 18:56									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Trip Just make a bomber that carries a Tactical Nuke.

CTP had it. Civ3 needs a B-52 or B-1 style bomber. The choice of only props and stealth is pretty lacking. Such a weapon should be capable of conventional bombing or nuclear bombing, possibly with infinate range. The stealth should also carry nukes. This would leave us with a nuclear option after SDI.

User interface: move tactical nuke to city, hit the load button, when bomber is active (with nuke loaded) a nuke bombing button should appear with the conventional and precision bombing buttons at the bottom of the screen, hit the nuke bomb button and select target, watch enemy die.

	13-06-2002 22:05									#5
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I just thought of a use. It would be used instead of ICBMs against civs with missile defense. I missile defense system wouldn't be able to stop a bomber.

	14-06-2002 20:40									#7
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i'd probubly class it as a kamikazie! Cuz with early nukes, they only had a few. So they'd have to ship them over, you could just imagen that you no longer have a nuke, so the planes worthless, so you have to make a new nuke, which would actualy mean you have to build the hole unit again (I'll stop now cuz its turning into babul!), get my drift?

	14-06-2002 21:12									#8
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Yeah, but that's irritating.

Yeah, next patch, stealth bombers should be able to load & use tac. nukes. >

	14-06-2002 21:14									#9
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Ditto what Carver says, should be this way. This is one of things where CtP bested other games.

	14-06-2002 22:10									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Carver This would leave us with a nuclear option after SDI.

So, bearing in mind that the SAM site improvement is rubbish and SDI wouldn't protect against plane-launched nukes, we would have a nuke against which there is no defense- what with the nukes being delivered by stealth bombers.

This might sound like a great idea now, but can you imagine how pissed off you'd be when the AI starts using it?

	15-06-2002 16:38									#11
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i agree. I'll probably be called a heretic for this, but CtP2 outclassed Civ 3 in every aspect concerning Nuclear Warfare. Par exemple, the MAD system and the Nuke armed bombers. Oh well, perhaps in PTW?