15-06-2002 00:18									#1
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Right now I turn off cultural and domination. I turn those two off because I don't like accidentally triggering them. It feels like the game suddenly is pulled out from under me. They're just too easy to trigger, ending the game without meaning to.

Any other ideas for winning conditions? Not necesarily new ones to be programmed in, but just goals to aim for?

I was just wondering what most people go for these days, and I don't recall a poll like this recently.

Edit - Ahhh I don't know how to make polls, I wanted the checklist thing... oops

	15-06-2002 00:29									#2
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Diplomatic - ihateitihateitihateitihateit.

I hate that thefact that I have the build the damn UN, when I could be off building a useful wonder. I hat the fact that I get no bonus votes for building the damn UN. I hate the fact I can lose the game, even though I'm the dominant civ, and all because I built the damn UN!

	15-06-2002 00:49									#3
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Cultural, same reasons nato cited.

	15-06-2002 02:19									#4
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I usually turn off diplomatic. I won it once and lost it twice, so I know how to win it and learned from my failures. But the game is over far too early and unspectacular and you don't get the chance to research the modern times techs.

I haven't turned off cultural yet, because I never had a cultural victory yet. Once I have that, I might turn it off as well, as I heard so many people complaining that it happend accidentially.

I once turned of space race, because I wanted to see the rest of the techs, but IMO they are not that exciting as the ones from the previous ages, so I leave space race turned on now.

	15-06-2002 02:39									#5
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Currently I turn off diplomatic and space race. A diplomatic win isn't very fulfilling as many others have stated. And as for Space race - has anyone had a legitimate space race - as in, you had a Civ that was actually close to you in competition? I suspect that most players typically have a huge tech lead and throttle the other civs. I guess I also don't like space race it is the one part of Civilization that has no basis in our history - it assumes we will one day have the capabilities to not only discover a planet that supports life, but get there. Since that hasn't actually happened yet, I prefer to keep my game on Earth.

	15-06-2002 02:46									#6
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I don't exactly have any of them set to off, but I have changed two of them:

UN: It now gives two advances (Didn't know what else to do with it), instead of triggering the UN victory

SpaceShip: ALL of the components needed are now more expensive to build, most the components now costs 100 shields more, while it was random number for some other components...

	15-06-2002 02:59									#7
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I turn off Diplomatic off course. I'm usually involved in some major wars and don't want a game to end just like that.
It makes for a too sudden victory.

	15-06-2002 03:05									#8
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I leave them all on. If I wanted a straight war game then I'd pick all war opponents, for instance.

	15-06-2002 03:21									#9
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I keep them all on. The only one I considered turning off is the diplomatic (UN victory) one just because I lost the last game I played when the computer player got elected world leader.

Frick! And I was 3 turns from competing my spaceship too!!

	15-06-2002 03:24									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Incan_Warrior I guess I also don't like space race it is the one part of Civilization that has no basis in our history - it assumes we will one day have the capabilities to not only discover a planet that supports life, but get there. Since that hasn't actually happened yet, I prefer to keep my game on Earth.

I don't mean to be an arse but does that mean you turn off the cure for cancer too? We haven't actually discovered that yet.

	15-06-2002 03:28									#11
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Where is the friggin' "NONE" option in the poll?

What kind of challenge is it if you don't give the AI a chance (e.g., they beating you to the UN and winning the election)?

(Remember though, I always play at Regent level)

	15-06-2002 04:18									#12
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Why can't I vote for more than one??

I ended the spaceship deal when the game suddenly ended as the Chinese launched but I didn't even know they were building it as I was unable to get a spy in Beijing despite five tries one of which started a war.
Ah, Espionage. . . BAH.

	15-06-2002 11:23									#13
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I don't turn any of them off. Thus, I can not participate in this poll. I never go for the diplo victory, though. But why should I take this opportunity to beat me from the AI? And it makes the building of the UN mantantory for me, even though I don't need it.

	15-06-2002 11:33									#14
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I leave them all on. At Emperor accidentally winning by culture is a bit hard to do, at least for my style.

If I slip and win by domination, the game is over for all intents and purposes anyway.

Diplomatic is not hard to avoid, winning or losing. I've never let the AI build the UN.

SpaceShip... now that is the fun one. Must arrange world affairs so that I can flatten any civ that seems like it will come close to launching. It's the challenge in the end game.

	15-06-2002 12:31									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Coracle Why can't I vote for more than one?? I ended the spaceship deal when the game suddenly ended as the Chinese launched but I didn't even know they were building it as I was unable to get a spy in Beijing despite five tries one of which started a war. Ah, Espionage. . . BAH.

I think it's very easy to plant spies once you have a tech lead, I always wait till I do, then I plant in every civ at once. Hardly ever a problem if done this way.

I also, like NYE prefer to be forced into nuking and razing capitals, while I continue on with domination.

I can see how you may accidentally acheive a culture victory on a larger than standard map. Aside from this however, if you feel the need to turn victory conditions off perhaps you need to consider a lower difficulty setting first.

	15-06-2002 14:12									#16
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I turn culture off -- I am a builder and love "culture war", but it causes the game to end much too soon with the culture victory condition. With it off, I can culture war to my heart's content with no fear of a sudden stop to the fun.

	15-06-2002 14:46									#17
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At what difficulty level?

	16-06-2002 00:46									#18
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Hmmm, this should probably be a multiple choice poll.

I usually turn off Space and Diplomatic for my fun games, but I don't turn any off if I really want to play a serious game.

	16-06-2002 00:58									#19
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I don't turn any of them off. I'm lazy.

	16-06-2002 01:14									#20
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Where's the option for:

"I don't turn anything off, it's just one big banana game to me."

	16-06-2002 06:45									#21
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I turn off cultural, diplomatic and domination.
It's just so anticlimatic to get suddendly a "you've won !" checkbox out of nowhere that end the game.
Feels more like a sudden death rather than a victory.

	16-06-2002 14:11									#22
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Yes - there should be a movie for all victories, not just Space Race

	16-06-2002 14:15									#23
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You are correct zulu.

I didn't see it until March or so, after many games completed by victory (and defeat or resignation) by other than space ship.

	16-06-2002 14:17									#24
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On a previous vein, defeat should involve more than the bruised screen.

	16-06-2002 20:35									#25
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I just finished my 1.17/16 cvi/Regent/Huge with large continents game by launching the ship (in 2011). I can understand going to Mars before getting Robotics, but not Alpha C. Perhaps I'll move the Superconductor advance to after Robotics.

WHAT am I saying!! It took me 3-1/2 MONTHS to finish that game!

	16-06-2002 20:45									#26
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither On a previous vein, defeat should involve more than the bruised screen.

Yes! When you lose your last city, your leadership image should play an animation similar to a Rifleman when it is destroyed. Full body shot, 3/4 screen size, frontal view. I think it would work really well to dramatize your boffing it totally.

If you lose just because someone else wins, a frontal face shot like those we are so totally familiar with of a -- just a total letdown/disappointment frown.

If you lose to someone else launching, you get to be "surprised" by watching the movie, THEN having the frown shot.

	17-06-2002 13:37									#27
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Diplomatic and sometimes space ship.