16-06-2002 02:57									#61
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Oh. Sorry I missed you. I only post on the OT as well but I was here before they changed the rules.

	16-06-2002 02:57									#62
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I think schools need to concentrate on getting math, reading, social studies, and biology right instead of which hole to stick it in.

	16-06-2002 03:09									#63
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Sex Ed:

Yes, sex ed is vital. It's focus shouldn't be on teaching technique for pleasure, however, it should be on preventing pregnancy by teaching about contraception and helping teens protect themselves from STDs.

While pregnancy isn't an issue for gays, STDs certainly are, and therefore any responsible sex ed class will include a discussion of homosexuality and ways in which gay men and women need to protect themselves during sex.

I wouldn't expect such a discussion, however, to occupy any more that 7-10% of the curriculum of a sex ed course.

Not educating teens about sex and its consequences is, IMO, tantamount to being an accomplice in the problems of teen pregnancy and STD transmission. Only a fool would assert that teens don't need to be educated in these matters.

	16-06-2002 03:13									#64
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory So do you have any scientific proof anal sex leads to some sort of climax in that area? If so share, after all. I made a statement about the whole thing refuting che. Its not up to me to prove it. Other than a bunch of porno testimonials love storys.

I could give you a graphic personal testimonial, if you like.



Heterosexuals trying tell gays what they do and don't experience during sex...how silly.

BTW, there is a sizable number of heterosexual men who enjoy being on the receiving end of anal penetration. The "Bend Over Boyfriend" porn series is quite popular. Sex columnist Dan Savage devoted a series of columns to devising a name for it when the female straps on a "device" (not sure if the accurate name is kosher here...), and gives it to her male partner.

The readers voted and arrived at "pegging."

	16-06-2002 03:24									#65
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Boris: Who is that on your avatar? The picture looks familiar.

	16-06-2002 03:28									#66
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It's a touched-up photograph of the Bulgarian bass Boris Christoff in the role of Boris Godunov.

	16-06-2002 03:56									#67
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ok. I was just wondering. I must have seen a picture somewhere because I'm not familiar with him.

	16-06-2002 05:19									#68
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Vesayen, you're an ethiopian Jew? cool dude

Are you Israeli too?
If so where from?


About the mods banning you - why not send him an email and tell him to read and realise you were joking?


On Topic:

Well in Israel it's as follows:

Early classes - you're taught about child making and conception.

Mid classes - you're taught about STDs and how to prevent them, Pregnancy and how to prevent it.

Mid-High classes - you're taught about sexual identity and so on. And about STDs again...


Actually, we already had two lectures (one each year) from a gay who works at a support hotline and helps people with AIDS.
The lectures talked about sexual identity and STDs.

Asides from that we have sexual identity support and activity centers in most community centers.

Our school is half-private and has a community center as part of it. It has a special section for helping young sexually unsure kids.

Our school is part of the liberal reformist movement though, so I'm not sure if the standards are the same everywhere.

Anyway, we are also obliged to do community work several years in highschool and one of the possibilities is working with gay people, or about gay rights and so on.

So I'd say we're pretty open.

Oh yeah, and this year, IIRC for the first time, a gay-parade was held in Jerusalem, two weeks ago.

It goes on in Tel-Aviv every year for a long time now.

	16-06-2002 05:29									#69
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"Vesayen, you're an ethiopian Jew? cool dude

Are you Israeli too?
If so where from?


About the mods banning you - why not send him an email and tell him to read and realise you were joking?"

No, but most of my familly has emigrated to Israel in the last 20 years(my imediate familly is still in America, except for my sister). My parents might move, but im staying heh, as much as I love God, I couldnt stand to leave America.

Yes......they are SO anal retentive its unbelievable, and even if a mod IS wrong, the head mod NEVER does anything because he dosent want to "rock the boat", so many moderators, and the head moderators became corrupted that all the good ones, and most posters have long since left..... I did send him an emailing, waiting for a response now.

	16-06-2002 05:38									#70
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why is there a SODOMy but not a GOMORRAHy?

	16-06-2002 05:43									#71
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Ves - I'm from Haifa.

Btw, I even made an appearance on your forums, I registered there and posted some pro-israeli stuff.

This was following a thread you started here in march.


lol about the board. They are cheney heads then, () so come here instead.

	16-06-2002 05:44									#72
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Look, the way I see is this:

90% of the population have this disease called heteroitis

5% of the population have this disease called gaybies

the remaining 5% of the population have a disease called sexophrenia


If I can find a way to fit this in with the thread's topic, I will get back to ya.

	16-06-2002 06:50									#73
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At my highschool (a Catholic one), we were taught basic stuff about preventing pregnancies and not getting STDs. But of course due to the Catholic church's policy, all references to condoms were crossed out with thick black markers.

Ironically, the condom references were the only parts of the 5 or so pages that they handed out that everyone read. Talks much later in highschool were based more on reality, but didn't really mention homosexuality/bisexuality.

	16-06-2002 07:02									#74
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sirnotikov agreed.....even if I get unbanned I see no reason to continue posting there- the mods are all facists.

	16-06-2002 08:28									#75
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I had a mother who was very approachable and taught me in a sensible honest way as part of everyday life.

A good starting point is the book titled "Where Did I Come From?" We had that readily available to assist with explanations in our household of two girls and eleven boys. I acknowledge that some people are embarrassed discussing this subject with their children but I also believe strongly that it is a parent's responsibility to discuss it with their children, no matter how embarrassing the parent may find it.

Frank and open discussions with my mother gave me a balanced view of sexual relations and I hope to continue to impart knowledge to my children with the same degree of caring, it makes for a close relationship in later life when you can discuss something so personal with a parent.

I sincerely believe that sex should be treated as a normal part of life. The basic facts should be understood before children begin school or other formal activities. This way there are no breeding grounds for myths and misinformation.

Parents, this is YOUR responsibility!!

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	16-06-2002 09:31									#76
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I have no problem with teaching kids the basics about sex, particularily regarding birth control and protection from AIDS and STDs. I would prefer that these topics be taught within the context of a sort of "Life Education" curricullum covering a variety of human relations and social issues topics. Tolerance towards persons with other preferences should be taught, and the subject of disease prevention should include techniques for them too. However I don't think that gay and lesbian sex techniques need be taught to classes.

In medical school I had a course in human sexuality taught by a gay man who was bent on discovering and outing all the closet gays in the class. He was insulting to non-gays, and resorted to giving misleading surveys in an attempt to inflate the estimate of the number of gays in the class.

One reason gays may get pleasure from anal sex is the stimulation of the prostate gland. That is after all the way that veternarians get semen from bulls.

	16-06-2002 10:36									#77
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Dangers of anal sex should be taught along with the dangers of vaginal. oral too.

As far as teaching about homosexuality, a simple, neutral:

"Some people are sexually attracted to members of the same sex. They are called homosexuals." To lead into the whole 'anal sex can transmit STDs as well' talk, is all that's necessary.

Lincoln: I understand you don't want your children to be contaminated, but they have a right to know, and need to, for their own safety and well-being.

Though, since your children have/will have internet access, I really don't think you need to burden yourself with trying to keep them ignorant.

I'm sure my 12 year old little brother knows as much as I do, with the internet and everything. Just an assumption though. I tend to stay away from my parent's house. It's full of crazy people.

	16-06-2002 17:10									#78
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quote: Originally posted by Vesayen mono= 1 monosexuality = self love(the way I phrased it). Whats the real term for self love lol?

Autoeroticism would be the closest expression IIRC.

And I am a strong believer in total parity between sexuality, and hopefully a time will come when the current boundaries of sexuality do not exist, where people can sleep with who they fancy, do what they want and not feel constrained by social constraints and classification and peer pressure. A new model of sexuality. So of course I advocate the education of sex education relevent to all sexualities to the same degree, but this would require a more open-minded society too. Hopefully I will see a society which is far more open-minded on the matter in my time.

	16-06-2002 17:14									#79
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quote: Originally posted by *End Is Forever* Yeah... and neither would kids doing the same if the "don't tell kids anything about sex" brigade had their way. Surely that's dangerous? Incidentally, there's an invention that would negate that problem. It's called a "shower"...

Yes, it definitely comes down to a matter of personal hygiene too, as well as taking necessary precautions. Obviously anyone practicing homosexual and heterosexual intercourse promiscuously should use barrier contraception. If a monogamous relationship this won't be necessary, except for heterosexuals where a contraceptive pill will be required.

The simple fact of the matter is that sexual intercourse can result in the transfer of many diseases, and hence the need for contraception and precaution and a bit of knowledge, regardless of the nature of the penetration involved.

	16-06-2002 17:16									#80
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In my sex ed class, they taught masturbation, and defined homo-hetero-bi sexuality. When was the last time you were in school? Things have changed... I graduated '98 just so you can get an idea.

	16-06-2002 20:33									#81
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quote: why is there a SODOMy but not a GOMORRAHy?

Isn't gonorrhea named after Gomorrah? (How m became n is a mystery, though.)

	16-06-2002 20:37									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Stefu Isn't gonorrhea named after Gomorrah? (How m became n is a mystery, though.)

Jahova is a mistranslation of the Jewish "Yahwey"

Sometimes things get mispelled/mistranslated.

	16-06-2002 20:40									#83
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I don't think Gonorrhea is named for Gomorrah, actually.

	16-06-2002 20:50									#84
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Faded Glory inquired:

quote: So do you have any scientific proof anal sex leads to some sort of climax in that area?

Jeez, have you heard of the "internet"? Just take a look at some gay porn images, you should find plenty of photographic proof if you really doubt this.

quote: "Some people are sexually attracted to members of the same sex. They are called homosexuals."

Why do straight people always insist on reducing gayness to sex acts? Gays are ROMANTICALLY as well as erotically attracted to the same gender. My theory for this oversight is that religious bigots have a hard time discriminating against someone because of who they love. It's a lot easier to keep a tight focus on sex acts that can cause titillation, squeamishness or disapproval.

I think it also bears noting here that not all gay men engage in anal sex. This discussion has also frequentlyoverlooked lesbians, who (in general) seldom engage in anal sex.

	16-06-2002 20:53									#85
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AFIK, the single most popular gay male sexual activity is oral sex. And I'd say the number of gay men who don't participate in anal sex is close to 50%

	16-06-2002 21:24									#86
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Well it is relevent to talk about sexual activities in this thread so let him off the hook, after all this concerns sex education. And we all know you can't catch anything nasty by holding hands...well, not much

	16-06-2002 21:54									#87
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We should also teach teenagers the difficulty that homosexuals have in establishing solid, long-lasting, monogamous relationships becuase of the tolerance or even active support of homophobia.

The homosexuals who have successfully established strong monogamous relationships were those who have done their best to overcome the obstacles--but that is a minority I believe.

	16-06-2002 22:32									#88
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The problem with education on sexual matters is caused by people who think they can provide knowledge on this issue the same way it's done with history, German and mathematics. It's often one-dimensional in the sense that it only focuses on the negative consequenses, veneral diseases and teenage pregnancy.

	17-06-2002 08:50									#89
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory 300 types of bacteria reside in the anus. If you have anal sex with a female, and then have intercourse. Your exposing her to shitloads of infections and yeast infections. I dont know if you knew that. But I did.

'Tis true. That's why gentlemen wash.

quote: Assgasms dont exist. Sorry man, but they dont. I take a **** everyday and I dont derive any sort pleasure from it, just a feeling of expelling the buggers. You watch too much porn Che.

Actually, I find porn rather distasteful. The acting is weak, the men are ugly, and the women look like dolls. That's my personal taste, but I'm am strongly in favor of porn and people's right to enjoy it.

As for assgasms, actually, FG, you can experience organsms in various parts of your body. When I was a kid (and much more sensitive), I would get them in my hands and feet (at the same time as the regular spot). First time I had sex while stoned, I felt it over my entire body! That was fun. If you experiement, you'll find that you can have mind-blowing pleasure in places you never thought of.

	17-06-2002 08:56									#90
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I, for one, pity anyone who thinks sexual pleasure can only be delivered via the standard reproductive organs. They are ignoring the other 99% of the body that is also capable of providing such stimuli. How sexually restrained!