18-06-2002 21:34									#1
	Terraforming with Nukes Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

Late in the game needing a boost in production, I found myself contemplating using nukes in a most unconventional way. I had a bunch of cities surrounded by rabbit-food (grasslands) giving piss-poor production. I also had a few tactical nukes lying around and about 100 workers who were mainly just sitting around in cities.

So I made sure everyone was wearing their blast glasses and detonated about 4 nukes in grassland areas around my cities, making sure none of the cities actually felt the effects of the blasts. In about 2 turns, all the pollution had dutifully been cleaned up by my workers, and I had terraformed lots of squares into more productive land.

I don't know if this has been talked about in the Strat. forum (sorry I don't read it). Anybody else try this?

-Apolex

	18-06-2002 21:39									#2
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sounds like a good plan, I'll have to try that.
edit: but due to my lack of experience with nukes i must ask; what do nukes do to forests, jungles, mountains, deserts, and hills (if I missed something just tell me)

	18-06-2002 22:06									#3
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Nukes will take everything down 1 level. Grasslands to plains, plains to desert, desert nothing though. As for what it does to forests, it just destroys the forest, the tile of plains or grasslands underneath is unnefected. Once had an idea that if you knew where and when you were gonna be nuked, building forests all around could help lessen the effects.

	25-06-2002 10:54									#4
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quote: Originally posted by ChaotikVisions Nukes will take everything down 1 level. Grasslands to plains, plains to desert, desert nothing though. As for what it does to forests, it just destroys the forest, the tile of plains or grasslands underneath is unnefected. Once had an idea that if you knew where and when you were gonna be nuked, building forests all around could help lessen the effects.

So forest do have a usefull function afterall

i don't think i have ever used or saw one used in of my games!!

	25-06-2002 11:00									#5
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This is too bizarre.

	25-06-2002 11:31									#6
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It sounds like some sort of 1950s infomercial about the wonder and glory of nuclear power.

	25-06-2002 12:31									#7
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Is it then possible to remove jungle with nukes, and leave the ground underneath unaffected?
It seems like a fast way to get rid of jungle, but I guess at the time nukes are available there wont be much jungle back needed to be cleared.

	25-06-2002 15:01									#8
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There's a "Nuke the river" strategy for score milkers. Makes high-food producing flood plains. Nothing for me, though.

	25-06-2002 15:45									#9
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THis would be a good idea for building cities in the jungle. Just nuke the desired location adnn then build your city

	25-06-2002 17:23									#10
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Hmmm, interesting use for nukes. No more smelly rainforests! Just drop an nuke and hey presto! Instead fertile glow-in-the-dark grasslands! Just think of the uses!

	25-06-2002 19:04									#11
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The title of this thread made me laugh.

	25-06-2002 19:24									#12
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It would be useful if nukes became available with mysticism. Otherwise it's just too late.

	25-06-2002 20:00									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Panzer Hmmm, interesting use for nukes. No more smelly rainforests! Just drop an nuke and hey presto! Instead fertile glow-in-the-dark grasslands! Just think of the uses!

Firaxis will most certainly "fix" it somehow...

	26-06-2002 00:23									#14
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Why's that? You still have to clean the pollution and if there was an enemy city there it would do the same thing.

	26-06-2002 02:00									#15
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What about the ice land, hill, and mountain? If you nuke them, what do they turn into?

	26-06-2002 02:36									#16
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Polluted tundra, polluted hills, and polluted mountains.

	26-06-2002 18:57									#17
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After you clean up pollution, what do you get? You mean we can't clean up a polluted hill?

	26-06-2002 21:51									#18
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Tundra, hills, and mountains. They don't change.

	27-06-2002 00:32									#19
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this is too funny

	27-06-2002 02:11									#20
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Don't nukes do something to coastal squares? I seem to recall using one (back during v1.17) on an island city, and several coastal squares turned into water squares.

Does this still happen in v1.21? If so, that might open some more interesting Nuke-Terraforming possibilities, such as "Canal Building With Nukes" !

	27-06-2002 22:06									#21
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quote: Terraforming with Nukes

. . .

	27-06-2002 22:57									#22
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Terraforming with nukes....................

Effective, most effective. Not as beastly as terraforming with planet busters ala SMAC/X but a viable strategy IMO. Too bad nukes aren't available early in the game. That's when one needs them the most to clear vast swathes of jungle.

	28-06-2002 02:11									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Haupt. Dietrich Terraforming with nukes.................... Effective, most effective. Not as beastly as terraforming with planet busters ala SMAC/X but a viable strategy IMO. Too bad nukes aren't available early in the game. That's when one needs them the most to clear vast swathes of jungle.

hi ,

, ...

, you can always start with some , ......

as for the terraforming , it leads however to "global warming" , ......

have a nice day

	28-06-2002 02:28									#24
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it only leads to global warming if you don't clean up the pollution.
I just rememberd "project chariot". one of the government agancies wanted to nuke a place up here in Alaska to build a harbor. (during the 50's or 60's and no they didn't do it)

	28-06-2002 04:27									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Space05us it only leads to global warming if you don't clean up the pollution. I just rememberd "project chariot". one of the government agancies wanted to nuke a place up here in Alaska to build a harbor. (during the 50's or 60's and no they didn't do it)

hi ,

, even with the pollution clean up , global warming can start sometimes , .....

have a nice day

	28-06-2002 04:50									#26
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quote: Originally posted by panag hi , , even with the pollution clean up , global warming can start sometimes , ..... have a nice day

I'd call it Nuclear Winter...

	08-10-2002 01:45									#27
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I think panag is right, the global warming effects seem to occur after nukes even if you clean up the pollution. I think a nuke causes an irreversible global warming effect by itself without regard to the associated polution.

-Apolex

	08-10-2002 02:47									#28
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For improving production in grasslands:


MINE THEM.


Nuclear blasts to kill flys. Silly. Ticks off the AI civs as well. I don't think we have to worry about Firaxis thinking of this as an exploit. Its more like hiring the Three Stooges to impove your city or Chico Marx to invest your funds.

	08-10-2002 06:52									#29
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Yeah but it was fun.

That's the point of the game, you see. Fun.

	30-10-2002 21:14									#30
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Does the AI mind if I blast nukes on my own territory?