19-06-2002 20:16									#1
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They want to steal your money in order to pay for their next fancy idea, like paying teenagers to have children or allowing illegal migrants to break into our country; but if a right-winger states that he should be allowed to keep the fruits of his labour, that is greedy?

	19-06-2002 20:19									#2
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Yes.

	19-06-2002 20:23									#3
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Expecting others to support you when you could work is selfish.

	19-06-2002 20:26									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's They want to steal your money in order to pay for their next fancy idea, like paying teenagers to have children or allowing illegal migrants to break into our country; but if a right-winger states that he should be allowed to keep the fruits of his labour, that is greedy?

ROLL UP, ROLL UP AND SEE THE WORLD FAMOUS DAILY MAIL MAN! Press his forehead for an instant rant straight out of the Daily Mail editorial database!

	19-06-2002 20:26									#5
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Exactly.

	19-06-2002 20:27									#6
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quote: Originally posted by MikeH ROLL UP, ROLL UP AND SEE THE WORLD FAMOUS DAILY MAIL MAN! Press his forehead for an instant rant straight out of the Daily Mail editorial database!

I read The Times.

	19-06-2002 20:27									#7
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I didn't realise the Times had gone quite that far downhill. You should read the Mail though, you'd agree with all of it, and you get lots of Royal stories.

	19-06-2002 20:28									#8
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I think one has to recognize, just as I have, that human beings are selfish by nature. Therefore, both the right and the left are selfish... just in different ways.

-Arrian

	19-06-2002 20:28									#9
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Itching for an all-expense paid trip to Mingapulco, Spinky?

	19-06-2002 20:29									#10
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I can get one whenever I want; Ming is like string around my little finger.

	19-06-2002 20:29									#11
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Left, undoubtedly.

Speaking as a former Idealistic Communist who is now far right.

The Right is Right.

	19-06-2002 20:30									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Sixchan Left, undoubtedly. Speaking as a former Idealistic Communist who is now far right. The Right is Right.

I'm not too keen on far-right, but centre right policies like getting rid of bogus "asylum" seekers from France are sensible, generous ones.

	19-06-2002 20:32									#13
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Generous. Can you explain why they are generous? Who to? France? Here we have a lovely gift of some assylum seekers for you.

	19-06-2002 20:33									#14
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I'm not racist or anything, but I generally lean on the Authoritarian Side of politics nowadays, most likely due to the High crime and all the drug-addicts in Glasgow.

	19-06-2002 20:41									#15
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Yes, and there's nothing selfish about authoritarianism, noooooo...

	19-06-2002 20:43									#16
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It is for the good of the nation. I had a little manifesto kicking about somewhere, but I can't be bothered finding it.

	19-06-2002 20:47									#17
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That's what authoritarians always say.

	19-06-2002 20:51									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's I can get one whenever I want; Ming is like string around my little finger.

I laugh at the second part of your statement... but the first part... not a problem

	19-06-2002 20:52									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Sixchan It is for the good of the nation. I had a little manifesto kicking about somewhere, but I can't be bothered finding it.

Mein Kampf ?

	19-06-2002 20:55									#20
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No, I don't steal others work. But that would be a nice example...

	19-06-2002 21:03									#21
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What about the Chinese limiting families to one child "for the good of the country" hard to argue against that one.

	19-06-2002 21:14									#22
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so, this thread wasn't about Ryan Giggs? A pity you can't count on him tomorrow :

	19-06-2002 21:18									#23
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By literal dictionary definition, taking from someone in order to give to someone deserving isn't selfish. Keeping everything for oneself is.

Also, Bods, if you think we shouldn't help people even when they need it, I hope you're looking forward to a lovely dotage. Of course, giving you help just because you're old and infirm would be selfish, right?

Hope you have a nice life, Bods. Because you won't the way you're going.

	19-06-2002 21:44									#24
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What? So those on the left are all claiming benefits from the state? Most left-wingers are pro-giving some of their earnings to help those unfortunate. How is that selfish?

And I think Boddingtons submits letters to this site seriously www.dailynail.co.uk

	19-06-2002 21:50									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's I read The Times.

Who explains it to you?

	19-06-2002 22:01									#26
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The right wingers always say that the poor need to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps, when they do not have any bootstraps to pull themselves up with.

	19-06-2002 22:08									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Jay Bee so, this thread wasn't about Ryan Giggs? A pity you can't count on him tomorrow :

I would rather have Damien Duff. Or even Craig Bellamy.

	19-06-2002 22:11									#28
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Help people who are willing to help themselves I say...

	19-06-2002 22:57									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Clear Skies Also, Bods, if you think we shouldn't help people even when they need it, I hope you're looking forward to a lovely dotage. Of course, giving you help just because you're old and infirm would be selfish, right?

Wrong. See, the left always twists the principles that the right expounds (though often doesn't understand itself). Help, charity, giving is incredibly important. We can't (or shouldn't) expect everyone to just struggle on themselves in despiration thinking that natural selection is at work. It is a terrible outlook for humanity.

It is essential for people to help out their brother when he is in a tough situation.

Now, these are principles that the right, the left and libertarians all support. How the left differs is that the left feels people aren't giving enough, or to the right people, or in the right ways, so it feels the need to FORCE people to 'give' how the left tells them.

No matter how much someone needs assistance, his fellow man should not be FORCED to help. By all means he should be encouraged, but FORCE is evil and should not be allowed.

This is the difference. So to answer the poll's question, both are wings on a corrupt and dying plane. Both are selfish, both are wrong.

	19-06-2002 23:00									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia Help people who are willing to help themselves I say...

And you make this definition how...?