20-06-2002 00:22									#31
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nobody will dictate to us. keep dreaming because you wont live to see the day.

	20-06-2002 00:25									#32
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Communist China is on the verge of collapse and the current social order in the country is collapsing. the workers are rising against the dicatators. and while tensions between India and pakistan are cooling off. I bet you 20 bucks they will be at each others throats 3 months from now.One day it will boil over and the whole region is in flames.


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	20-06-2002 00:27									#33
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quote: Originally posted by chrono353 nobody will dictate to us. keep dreaming because you wont live to see the day.

Wonder if Romulus Augustulus said that before Odacer came marching into Rome...

	20-06-2002 00:29									#34
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quote: Originally posted by chrono353 nobody will dictate to us. keep dreaming because you wont live to see the day.

Typical ignorant response. I suggest you read up on your history. Have you seen the US dictate to china or india anytime recently? More like china has already started dictating policy to the US there are numerous examples where they said you do this or you can't have access to this market, and as china's trade/economic power increases they will do so more and more.

	20-06-2002 00:32									#35
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Enron, E*Trade, Tyco, Global Crossing, imClone...

The rogues gallery gets bigger everyday.

	20-06-2002 00:38									#36
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quote: Originally posted by markusf Typical ignorant response. I suggest you read up on your history. Have you seen the US dictate to china or india anytime recently? More like china has already started dictating policy to the US there are numerous examples where they said you do this or you can't have access to this market, and as china's trade/economic power increases they will do so more and more.

really? last time i check china hasnt touched taiwan cause? why? and last time i check china didnt even come close to the 25% of the worlds GDP america is. infact china's economies has tanked in the last 2 years with more and more global, euro, jap corporations moving to malasyia and thailand. i guess china is doing good. only considering 10 million people lost there 5 cents a hour jobs at state indutsrys.

	20-06-2002 00:39									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Enron, E*Trade, Tyco, Global Crossing, imClone... The rogues gallery gets bigger everyday.

Ya rambus is in major **** today. LOL Well at least the shorts are making money. I have seen so much crap in the markets, the real cons are the bankers and the brokers. They steal hundreds of millions and they never get caught. Sure every now and then one or 2 go to jail for a year or 2 and when they get out they take their hundreds of millions and retire.. Who said crime doesn't pay.

	20-06-2002 00:41									#38
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china is unstable, america is not. if you think china or india or any other nation will eclipse us in 50 years your wrong. dream on!

coups and civil wars in america in the last 250 years: 2
Coup, insurgencys, and civil wars in China in the last 250 years: 36 soon to be 37 when the commi's realise that they only hold 20% support within the country

who will outlast who?

	20-06-2002 00:42									#39
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Not only that, markus, but the hundreds of millions of $$$ these guys are stealing aren't just company profits and investors' money, it's yours and mine. The U.S. government gives $billions in corporate welfare to these companies, and they turn around and give all the money to their executives while laying off workers and sending the companies into tailspins. They're stealing OUR money. Shouldn't conservatives be against this, too? Why is welfare needed for CEOs?

	20-06-2002 00:43									#40
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quote: Originally posted by chrono353 really? last time i check china hasnt touched taiwan cause? why? and last time i check china didnt even come close to the 25% of the worlds GDP america is. infact china's economies has tanked in the last 2 years with more and more global, euro, jap corporations moving to malasyia and thailand. i guess china is doing good. only considering 10 million people lost there 5 cents a hour jobs at state indutsrys.

china was effected when the asian markets crashed. I suggest you look into the construction/infustructure boom in china. Also i don't see the USA saying ANYTHING at all about taiwan... i wonder why. I doubt china will say much about taiwan until the current president in waiting takes over in the next little while.

	20-06-2002 00:46									#41
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"America's economic decline has been going on for decades and if anything sped up during the 1990's."

Yes, on a comparative basis. But this should be welcomed by all Americans. It just means that the United States isn't carrying as much of the load that it once was.

	20-06-2002 00:47									#42
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maybe cause in 96 when china shot missiles and we sent 4 carrier groups they realized how seroiuis we were. thats why they stopped. I also find it funny how we got our spy plane back and China was condemned for using force.

quote: taiwan until the current president in waiting takes over in the next little while.

its a tradition since mao for every chinese president to threaten to attack tiawan. Note: Not one had the balls to do it. look it up

	20-06-2002 00:47									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Not only that, markus, but the hundreds of millions of $$$ these guys are stealing aren't just company profits and investors' money, it's yours and mine. The U.S. government gives $billions in corporate welfare to these companies, and they turn around and give all the money to their executives while laying off workers and sending the companies into tailspins. They're stealing OUR money. Shouldn't conservatives be against this, too? Why is welfare needed for CEOs?

Ya thats why i just short. The whole finacial system is the states is just one massive scam. The underwriters get a huge chunk of stock, the company puts out some bs releases the stock shoots up and the distribution of the shares starts. When they sold enough stock they tank the share price and load up and shares and repeat the process. Whenever you see an anal yst promoting a stock on tv its usually in the pump phase.. So just short the stock and look at it a month later lol.

	20-06-2002 00:53									#44
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It's fun to charter an accountant
And sail the wide accountancy,
To find, explore the funds offshore
And skirt the shoals of bankruptcy!

It can be manly in insurance.
We'll up your premium semi-annually.
It's all tax deductible.
We're fairly incorruptible,
We're sailing on the wide accountancy!

	20-06-2002 00:54									#45
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up-up-up your premium, yes we'll up-up-up your premium, yes we'll...

	20-06-2002 00:55									#46
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quote: Originally posted by chrono353 maybe cause in 96 when china shot missiles and we sent 4 carrier groups they realized how seroiuis we were. thats why they stopped. I also find it funny how we got our spy plane back and China was condemned for using force. its a tradition since mao for every chinese president to threaten to attack tiawan. Note: Not one had the balls to do it. look it up

LOL you got your plane back in pieces after the chinese went though and figured out how everything worked.. Tiawan will rejoin china, its just a matter of when. For all we know china and the usa could cut some deal and tiawan will be taken over. It wouldn't be the first time the USA sold out some country.

	20-06-2002 00:56									#47
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This entire second page shows why you should never argue with a leftist. He has "everything" backing him.

*sarcasm*

Really why do I even waste my time here even trying to argue with these people who obviously are never wrong?

They obviously know everything.

*more sarcasm*

And who in their right mind would believe an article from the leftist media? Not me.

	20-06-2002 00:57									#48
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Right mind...right...hahaha.

	20-06-2002 00:58									#49
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quote: Originally posted by DanS It's fun to charter an accountant And sail the wide accountancy, To find, explore the funds offshore And skirt the shoals of bankruptcy! It can be manly in insurance. We'll up your premium semi-annually. It's all tax deductible. We're fairly incorruptible, We're sailing on the wide accountancy!

I see ex Arthur Anderson employees have been spending thier time well.

	20-06-2002 00:59									#50
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quote: Originally posted by JohnIII Right mind...right...hahaha.

Absolutely. Meant both ways. I didn't notice that at all....

Hey Boris, I am not saying you don't trust all CEOs I never said that. But what I am saying is there is no alternative to a privately owned company. Even Chile is learning to privatize the rest of its economy which it is doing. According to all of my sources Pinochet privatized more than 3/4s of the Chilean Economy.

http://www.cia.gov
http://travel.dk.com/wdr
http://www.encarta.com

And this Che poster here is trying to screw up the economic model I so much think should be used as a world model. He has failed though.

	20-06-2002 01:03									#51
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Fez: See the slot machine comment.

You're just mad because you can't defend corporate pillaging anymore. Don't trust leftist sources? How about the Economist? Try picking that one up, you might learn something.

I find it funny that an Argentinian and Canadian are left to defend coporate America, and I work in corporate America.

	20-06-2002 01:06									#52
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Again, I am not saying that you don't trust companies at all! I am just saying those who commit crimes should be prosecuted like the guilty verdict handing down to the auditor Anderson. That was no mistake. You commit a crime you should get punished. I support that.

I am not Argentinian you misrepresentative leftist. Would you stop screwing up my nationality on purpose? That is insulting.

	20-06-2002 01:11									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Fez Hey Boris, I am not saying you don't trust all CEOs I never said that. But what I am saying is there is no alternative to a privately owned company.

What you said was:

quote: Boris: Yeah, it is always the companies fault... lets destroy the company.

Implying I wanted to destroy the companies. No, I want to make them accountable. I'm not looking for alternatives to a privately-owned company, I'm looking for some damn accountability and regulatory oversight, as well as an end to corporate welfare. Is that so tough?

	20-06-2002 01:12									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Fez: See the slot machine comment.

Yup, there is no better description then that.

In the past 10 years, the finacial industry has gone to great lengths to milk the investors. I can't wait till they start investigating "pro forma" earnings, thats the biggest scam of all In one accounting system they lose $1.00 a share, they switch to pro forma and suddenly they are earning a $1.00 a share.

	20-06-2002 01:13									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Fez I am just saying those who commit crimes should be prosecuted like the guilty verdict handing down to the auditor Anderson. That was no mistake. You commit a crime you should get punished. I support that.

When did you say that in this thread? Never.

quote: I am not Argentinian you misrepresentative leftist. Would you stop screwing up my nationality on purpose? That is insulting.

Apologies, I thought you were Argentinian. Not intentional. Stop being so-high strung, I thought you Peruvians were relatively laid-back.

Tee-hee!

	20-06-2002 01:16									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov When did you say that in this thread? Never.

I don't care if somebody is responsible for shoplifting, or any kind of crime they should be taken to court. This includes fraud, racketeering, etc.

I also support capitalism with little government interference. The little government interference should be the prevention of crime.

quote: Apologies, I thought you were Argentinian. Not intentional. Stop being so-high strung, I thought you Peruvians were relatively laid-back. Tee-hee!

Well the mistake has been made too much...

	20-06-2002 01:21									#57
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Are you really Peruvian? Damn, I thought I was making a joke...

	20-06-2002 01:28									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Are you really Peruvian? Damn, I thought I was making a joke...

OMG. I am a Spaniard. I don't know how many times that needs to be said.

	20-06-2002 01:31									#59
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"I see ex Arthur Anderson employees have been spending thier time well."

It's all the Brits' fault!

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	20-06-2002 01:32									#60
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With Italian heritage. Sheesh.