19-06-2002 23:02									#1
	SMCs plea to the people Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

the Supreme Military Commander is bringing his plea directly to the people. Your Science Minister, Tassadar, plans to research bronze working and then many many non-military related techs.

to quote him from a live chat last night,

quote: Uber, You're getting defense first, and offense much later

so i bring my case to the loyal Apolytonians. As war minister i would like to see SOME KIND of offensive weapon. i recommend getting the wheel, because we have grassland around us, and that is where horses thrive. there are no strategic or luxury resours around us, so there is a good chance that a few horses are running around. there is no chance of us getting iron any time soon, unless we find some mountains or hills.

"we're in a jungle uber krux, you moron!" yea i hear you. with a few more workers Eli and the gang could carve out a path (if we find a way out that is).

we could also get warrior code and smack it do them with archers, ignoring the jungle tiles for now, but the UU will give us a golden age and a great advantage over the enemy (unless we bump into rome or greece).

it is your call. you have 2 days.

	19-06-2002 23:05									#2
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Being that I feel our main concern at the moment is getting out of the jungle/getting rid of the jungle, I abstain for now, as I have no opinion either way.

	19-06-2002 23:11									#3
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I voted no.
Currently, because of our geographic location, finding horses and iron is VERY unlikely. Horses thrive in grasslands, but also plains... There are 32 horses spots on the whole huge map (25600 tiles), so finding horses newt to us would be a miracle. Iron working and the wheel are utterly useless then. And archers won't be of any use : how will we fight efficiently with archers against swordsmen ?
But, peaceful techs lead us to one thing : mapmaking. And we'll probably be saved once we'll expand to more welcoming territory.
I'm not fond of voting no, because our situation doesn't allow us to research useless techs.

	19-06-2002 23:16									#4
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even though i said iron working, I have reconsidered nd know think the wheel is the way to go. Hopefully we can get this and then can explore faster and get other techs, so think of the wheel as an investment.

	19-06-2002 23:48									#5
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Hmmm. I looked for a report by Tass, but couldn't find one (at least not a recent thread started by him).

What are we researching now, and how long to get it?

	19-06-2002 23:58									#6
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the hawk party backs uber up. we demand the wheel!

	20-06-2002 00:02									#7
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i promise you, if you get me the wheel, we WILL find horses. i swear on my title as SMC. if we do not find horses i will not run for re election and you can fill my position with whatever panzie ass tree hugger you want.

i also promise you that if you clear out a path in the jungle, we shall kill thr fiest civ we meet.

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	20-06-2002 00:04									#8
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its a dog-eat-dog world. what happens if we find another civ in 10 turns? what if they turn hostile? we need to be prepared.

	20-06-2002 00:05									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Trip Being that I feel our main concern at the moment is getting out of the jungle/getting rid of the jungle, I abstain for now, as I have no opinion either way.

That statement fits nicely to your current avatar, president.

I support the SMC. But I prefer Warrior code. Archers are cheaper than horsemen, have the same combat stats, but don't need resources. And they move through the jungle as fast as horsemen would. The Wheel would be pointless for the start, as Chariots aren't jungle going. And we can't rely on the presence of horses on that tiny green spot we have.

	20-06-2002 00:09									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph That statement fits nicely to your current avatar, president. I support the SMC. But I prefer Warrior code. Archers are cheaper than horsemen, have the same combat stats, but don't need resources. And they move through the jungle as fast as horsemen would. The Wheel would be pointless for the start, as Chariots aren't jungle going. And we can't rely on the presence of horses on that tiny green spot we have.

archers arent cheaper than war chariots, and they have the same a.d, and double m.

only problem is clearing the jungle.

this is where the bold are forged my friend. if we dont find horses you can do what you want with me. i'll play defensive until i'm voted out. if we find horses, you must clear me a path to atttack.

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	20-06-2002 00:11									#11
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quote: Originally posted by jdd2007 its a dog-eat-dog world. what happens if we find another civ in 10 turns? what if they turn hostile? we need to be prepared.

And if?

They aways turn hostile...

Being researching some military tech can bring some respect to us and the posibility of taking away some barbarians too...

	20-06-2002 00:49									#12
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Well, we don't want to be caught with our pants down, so to speak. But we can't overdo it. I say we should try to alternate-- every second or third advance (maybe fourth) should be military.

	20-06-2002 01:35									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Vlad Antlerkov Well, we don't want to be caught with our pants down, so to speak. But we can't overdo it. I say we should try to alternate-- every second or third advance (maybe fourth) should be military.

all i want is the wheel for now. after that they can dive for literature if they want

	20-06-2002 01:36									#14
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The Wheel in the mid of jungle, with no knowledge if we have horses or not. Good choice, indeed.

	20-06-2002 01:37									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph The Wheel in the mid of jungle, with no knowledge if we have horses or not. Good choice, indeed.

trust in krux. i know civ3, and there HAS to be AT LEAST 1 horse in our area.

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	20-06-2002 01:38									#16
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and i would suggest an archer gambit, but they're gettign bronze first, which will eat a lot of time.

i doubt they'll build barracks as well.

	20-06-2002 01:43									#17
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Good luck SMC. You have my sympathy. Alas, there was not much of a choice in the Science advisor poll. Tassadars opponent was an even worse peacenick.

	20-06-2002 01:44									#18
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This is why we have political parties my war-loving friends. Get your friends in office, and then it's easier to get things the way you want them.

	20-06-2002 02:16									#19
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Sorry americans, but this avatar realy s.u.c.k....

This is the worst presidente i have ever seen to control the USA....

Argh...

	20-06-2002 03:15									#20
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Wheels would be useless out here, and iron we wont find in the jungle. If anything offensive i'd say warrior code except that i dont think we'd be taking a war on the offensive in this situation

So i vote no. There is no shame in fighting a defensive war, especially if you win it.

	20-06-2002 03:17									#21
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If I vote yes (warrior code), when will we research it? Right after bronze working?

	20-06-2002 03:55									#22
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I say go for the wheel. We are losing precious turns with the jungle. We need fast units to be able to explore once they get out of the jungle. We are unable to do that with simple archers.

	20-06-2002 04:38									#23
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Uber's right, the probability is that we will find horses, so I'll go with The Wheel.