21-06-2002 02:22									#1
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After reading Imran's thread, I thought I'd resurrect this old thread. Basically just post what your platform would be if you dictatorial control of your own political party. And if we get as many reguritations of the Republican platform (or Demesos ) as last time the wrath of the squirrel of doom shall be felt

The Left Libertarian Party

-Complete gutting of the Welfare State (including entitlements like social security) and repeal of the minimum wage.
-Overhaul of tax code so that income tax is negative at lower income levels (so that everyone will have enough to cover the basics) and the vast majority of exemptions etc. are eliminated.
-Incrased funding for education (perhaps a couple thousand per head subsidy for all accredited schools or expandeding the FAFSA system to primary and secondary schools).
-Liberalization of immigration (at least doubling immigration quotas).
-Legalization of all drugs (with necessary OUI etc. regulations) and make the bulk of perscription drugs legal for over the counter sale (with exceptions for antibiotics etc. due to the danger of antibiotic resistant strains).
-Legalization of prostitution.
-General regulation-smacking
-Get "In God We Trust" off our money and assorted silly things like "national day of prayer" gotten rid of (top priority ).
-Repeal of anti-union legislation such as the Taft-Hartley Act.
-Expand existing tradable pollution credit schemes for environmental protection and give them big sharp pointy teeth.
-General support for free trade (no Bush steel tarrif for example) but with basic environmental and labor standards so that we're not being undercut by slave labor.
-Large-scale cuts in the military/national security apparatus, including the disbanding of the Office for Homeland Security and at least a 50% reduction in military personnel.
-Elimination of military aid to undemocratic countries (inc. Israel due to occupied territories).
-Attempt to reform the IMF (and the WB and WTO while you're at it) so that they actually helps people in the third world instead of providing what often amounts to free insurance for investors, also push for debt-relief for newer democracies so they're not saddled with debts incurred by dictators.
-Ammend the Constitution to make the Senate elected via national Proportional Representation (keep congress as it at least for now :evilgrin.
-Rollback the 20th century accumulation of Presidential power to, at the very least, Pre New Deal levels.
-Propgandize in favor of worker-owned companies, cooperatives, and voluntaristic libertarian socialism generally but no expropriation of the expropriators or anything .

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American Nationalist Fascist Workers Party

-Reduction of the size of the federal gov't; Increased power in the hands of the states
-Tax rebates for businesses in urban areas
-Tax rebates for businesses who hire convicted felons
-Income tax breaks for the middle class and below (less than 60k a year)
-Democrat-style taxes for the upper class
-Welfare reform geared towards job training
-Reduction of presidential, senatorial, and congressional incomes
-Greater punishments for dead-beat fathers
-Free job training and business school training for economic felons such as drug dealers and muggers; Freedom upon completion of courses
-Greater emphasis on physical fitness and health in schools
-Greater emphasis on morality and citizenship in schools
-Formation of Hitler Youth-style organizations for inner city youth
-Mandatory public service for citizenship rights (usually military service)
-Moderate international free trade; Keep as many American jobs as possible
-Anti-immigration

What you think?


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Speer that party is somewhat evil... Hitler style youth organizations?

The Center-Right Moderate Militarist Party
- Strengthen the military, strengthen the defense sector
- National Guard should get strengthened
- State and Local Police should be militarized
- Border Guard should receive light tanks
- Regressive Tax Code Adopted
- Maintain democracy while strengthening military
- Drastically reduce the government
- Eliminate Death Tax
- Death Penalty used more often
- Tougher penalities for drug dealers
- More money to Colombian Armed Forces
- Maintain Free-Trade with some protectionist elements to maintain jobs
- Keep Prositution illegal
- Keep all forms of currently illicit drugs including marijuana illegal.
- Strengthen DEA
- Maintain current level of aide to Israel
- Increase Military Aide to Strategic Countries including Egypt
- Maintain seperation between church and state

Now that is all the intelligence I have for this thread... whatever I post here will be spam....

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	21-06-2002 03:56									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer What you think?

I think you're a scary fellow. (you too fez!)




What would I do? I'd disband the party - I'd never want be a politician!

	21-06-2002 03:58									#5
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Me scary? No... still got some farther right elements in my beliefs... but those are easing out.

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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer American Nationalist Fascist Workers Party -Reduction of the size of the federal gov't; Increased power in the hands of the states -Tax rebates for businesses in urban areas -Tax rebates for businesses who hire convicted felons -Income tax breaks for the middle class and below (less than 60k a year) -Democrat-style taxes for the upper class -Welfare reform geared towards job training -Reduction of presidential, senatorial, and congressional incomes -Greater punishments for dead-beat fathers -Free job training and business school training for economic felons such as drug dealers and muggers; Freedom upon completion of courses -Greater emphasis on physical fitness and health in schools -Greater emphasis on morality and citizenship in schools -Formation of Hitler Youth-style organizations for inner city youth -Mandatory public service for citizenship rights (usually military service) -Moderate international free trade; Keep as many American jobs as possible -Anti-immigration What you think? thanks

We can support a larger military. Letīs build cavalry.

	21-06-2002 04:16									#7
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Spaniard:

quote: Tougher penalities for drug dealers

HELL NO

Drug dealing is an economic crime; the people who sell drugs themselves are oftentimes intelligent but poor and see no oppurtunities for them. I SAY FREE THE DRUG DEALERS after they recieve job training and a preliminary business training for the future.


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	21-06-2002 04:16									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer American Nationalist Fascist Workers Party

quote: -Tax rebates for businesses who hire convicted felons

Why give felons a break?

quote: -Free job training and business school training for economic felons such as drug dealers and muggers; Freedom upon completion of courses

Well, gee in that case I'd start selling drugs and mugging people.

WOW, I got a mugging scholarship to Harvard!

quote: -Formation of Hitler Youth-style organizations for inner city youth

Don't they already have this? Aren't they called gangs?

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Tuberski:

So you want the convicts to be freed after the end of their sentence then have no jobs and be criminals again and again?! What the hell? We must encourage businesses to hire convicts.

And gangs I guess... but gangs that give community to those most likely to fail and teach them morals and citizenship. The most likely to fail will stand as the epitome of the American way of life.


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The Moderate Libertarian Party .

Taxes/Economy
-Eliminate the income tax for the lowest 20% of wage earners (while keeping the Bush tax plan).
-Eliminate the Estate Tax.
-Eliminate the Marriage Tax.
-Promote Free Trade and drop our trade barriers.

Government
-Cut the bureaucracy by slashing total government jobs by 10%
-Slash unneccessary regulations, while strengthening regulations on accounting of profits by corporations.
-Eliminate the Office of Homeland Security and put the NSC above the FBI and CIA.
-Lower Presidential Power in favor of Congressional Power.
-Repeal the Amendment that allows for Direct Election of Senators (Go back to electing them from the State Senates).

Social Policy/Programs
-Legalize ALL illegal drugs (with FDA warnings on them).
-Increase immigration quotas significantly.
-Reform welfare whereby work training would play a significant role.
-Pass the Equal Rights Amendment (ERA) guarenteeing equal rights for women.
-Reform Affirmative Action, where it applies to those below the poverty line and not just of some races or ethnicities.

Education
-Increase funding for education, especially higher education, so more can go to and afford college educations.
-Destroy the administration bureaucracy in education. Allow schools to do what they wish to educate.
-Promote charter schools and vouchers (with the caveat that all schools that accept vouchers cannot charge more than them).
-Destroy the power that the Teachers' Union have over enacting any reform in education.

States Rights
-Allow the states to decide on legal drinking ages.
-Allow the states to decide on prostitution laws.

Environment
-Come up with a timetable for a reduction of greenhouse gas emissions.
-Strengthen CAFE (Corporate Average Fuel Efficiency) standards on our automobile fleet.
-Stress becoming more efficient and less dependant on oil.
-Pump money into alternate fuel research (especially fuel cells).
-Sign (but don't ratify) Kyoto and work from within to change it to include industrializing countries.

Military
-Reduce military budget by 15%. Stress a lighter, smaller groups military.
-Go for quality rather than quantity (stress technology as we are now).
-Close down all unnecessary military bases that Congressmen are blocking closure (that would make a good part of the 15% budget reduction).
-Stress naval and air superiority.

Foriegn Affairs
-Increase funding for foriegn aid, and send it directly to the source.
-Join the International Criminal Court (ICC).
-Pay our dues to the UN in a timely and consistant manner.
-Make the IMF, WTO, and World Bank more open institutions.
-Stop supporting (rhetorically and financially) Israel, until they accept a Palestinian state and leave the West Bank.
-Recognize a Palestinian State with the borders being the West Bank and Gaza, and defend them against unfair Israeli incursions, while at the same time demanding free and fair democratic elections.
-Become more active in Peacekeeping roles where there isn't a direct US interest (ie, East Timor).
-End the embargo on Cuba.
-Support fledgling democracies in Developing States.
-One time elimination of the debt of third world states.
-Expand NATO's Mandate to become a global peacekeeping organization. Invite Russia to join.
-Expand NAFTA to include more Central American and South American states.


Is that good enough . If I come up with more I'll post them

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	21-06-2002 04:27									#11
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Imran:

So a reduced military (without ground emphasis) will be more involved in peace-keeping... We had total air and naval superiority in Vietnam you know...

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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer Tuberski: So you want the convicts to be freed after the end of their sentence then have no jobs and be criminals again and again?! What the hell? We must encourage businesses to hire convicts.

No, we must encourage convicts to become hireable, go to school on your own time make something of yourself. Not, "well now that you are in prison, we are going to teach you a skill."

quote: And gangs I guess... but gangs that give community to those most likely to fail and teach them morals and citizenship.

Not that I disagree with what you are saying, but who would teach these things?

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quote: So a reduced military (without ground emphasis) will be more involved in peace-keeping... We had total air and naval superiority in Vietnam you know...

Yep... more involved in peacekeeping. And Vietnam was a joke. We had total air and naval superiority and we fought it like it was WW2 or Korea. Smaller commando like groups would have done much better there.

Then again, why we were there in the first place is a question.

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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer Spaniard: HELL NO Drug dealing is an economic crime; the people who sell drugs themselves are oftentimes intelligent but poor and see no oppurtunities for them. I SAY FREE THE DRUG DEALERS after they recieve job training and a preliminary business training for the future. thanks

Hey buddy it is my opinion and I don't care what you think. I don't listen to nazis anyways.

	21-06-2002 04:42									#15
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quote: -Repeal the Amendment that allows for Direct Election of Senators (Go back to electing them from the State Senates).

What do you see the advantages of this being?

	21-06-2002 04:47									#16
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Increases in State's Power. And you have an experienced politician that has toiled in the state legislature becoming Senator, rather than a Corzine who has $30 million to spend on the general election.

	21-06-2002 04:49									#17
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I'd definately be voting against Imran.

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You vote for my party, dinodoc?

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I wouldn't want you voting for me either, Dino .

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Not sure how I'd classify myself.

- Reduction of bureaucracy in government.
- Reform of the justice system, make it harder for rich people to get away with crimes.
- Three strike rule for most crimes.
- Welfare reform, make it harder for people to get money.
- Increase federal government's power to deal with Unions.
- Education reform, similar to the French system.
- Graduated income taxes, eliminate taxes completely for lower income families.
- Increase spending on border patrols along Mexican border.
- Deny long term medical care, schooling etc for ALL illegal immigrants.
- Expansion of UN powers to include military force.
- Lower tarriffs to promote international trade.
- Legalization of marijuana and other "soft" drugs, lower drinking age to 21.
- Strongly limit 2nd amendment rights, for example you can only own a firearm if you are a Police Officer, soldier or a part of a state sponsored militia.
- Stricter environmental controls, especially on cars (SUVs).
- Decrease military spending, increase intelligence spending, as well as reorganization of INS, FBI, CIA etc.
- Moderate support of Israel, promote creation of Palestinian state.

thats all i can think of now...

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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui I wouldn't want you voting for me either, Dino .

Good, because I fart in the general direction of most of your Foreign Affairs platform.

	21-06-2002 05:02									#22
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Like I give two shits what you think .

	21-06-2002 05:07									#23
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Bah!

	21-06-2002 05:20									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Like I give two shits what you think .

You said a bad word...............


Ming is on the warpath about the auto-censor, watch out!


Of course, he's at a bar with GP and Rah right now.......

	21-06-2002 05:28									#25
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I didn't go around the autocensor. The autocensor just doesn't pick up that word, I guess.

	21-06-2002 05:31									#26
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And tack on just about everything from Imran's list onto my list, (except the bits about the senate and teacher unions) this is getting scary
Oh and get rid of the death penalty while we're at it and reform the judicial system to give Public Defenders at least something vaguely resembling the resources of DAs and make prisons maybe actually have the people that come out of them just maybe less ****ed-up then when they went in (should be possible with drug legalization eliminating over-crowding).

quote: American Nationalist Fascist Workers Party...What you think?

Aaaah, the urban strategy, which was the Nazi party's biggest propaganda failure, you'd do better targetting school teachers, other assorted whiny lower-middle class, and red necks like the Nazis did

quote: National Guard should get strengthened

Yes, the danger of the US being invaded makes this indispensible!

quote: Not, "well now that you are in prison, we are going to teach you a skill."

Better than any alternative thing to do with them in prison.

quote: And you have an experienced politician that has toiled in the state legislature becoming Senator, rather than a Corzine who has $30 million to spend on the general election.

This didn't really happen when the legislatures elected senators either, you got so many millionaries getting elected to the senate it got called the "millionarie's club" IIRC.

quote: Not sure how I'd classify myself.

Sort of like a European Liberal...

	21-06-2002 05:32									#27
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It did on me in the A/C forum.

I think the "auto-censor" is some guy named Bill.

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quote: And tack on just about everything from Imran's list onto my list, (except the bits about the senate and teacher unions) this is getting scary

Well, at least we have the capitalist/anarchist difference (or do we ).

Does that mean you want the Bush tax cut too .

quote: This didn't really happen when the legislatures elected senators either, you got so many millionaries getting elected to the senate it got called the "millionarie's club" IIRC.

What do you think it is now?

I'd rather have the legislature choose among themselves for the Senators. I'd think you'd get better people than you would now.

Also, as a more fanciful idea, remember that post I had like a year or two back? One dealing with expanding Congress? I still like that. For those that don't know, I suggested expanding the House to 2000 seats! So that the people would be more represented. The House members would be closer to each of the people they representated at home because of the smaller districts.

quote: I think the "auto-censor" is some guy named Bill.

Bill3000?

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1. Eliminate all trade barriers.
2. Legalize all drugs (barring drugs that guarantee the harm of others, such as PCP, as well some regulation to deal with antibiotics); the FDA becomes an advisory agency.
3. Dismantle all immigration barriers.
4. Eliminate all regressive taxes. Hell, end all taxes excluding the income tax.
5. Completely overhaul the income tax to eliminate all the loopholes for rich folk, and drastically cut taxes across the board, with the most of cuts targetted towards the lower and middle classes.
6. Expand the earned income tax credit.
7. Take down just about every welfare program.
8. Dismantle much of our military, including significnat parts of our intelligence agencies (covert ops and whatnot).
9. Eliminate government "mediation" in labor disputes.
10. End the Puritanical-type laws - anti-prostitution, anti-sodomy, anti-gay marriage and so forth.
11. Overhaul foreign 'aid.' Stop funding the military of states such as Colombia, Turkey, and Israel, for instance.
12. Stop government spying on citizens. Start enforcing the 4th Amendement.
13. Reform the criminal justice system. Take down any sort of mandatory minimum sentencing, stop violence in prison, and end the death penalty.
14. Give everyone due process; eliminate 'secret evidence' and indefinite detentions.
15. Substancially increase funding of our education system. Raise our education standards, particularly on the standradized tests.
16. Support a pollution credit system.


This is getting a little long... I'll stop here...

	21-06-2002 05:59									#30
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Boshko:

Exactly... lower middle class... in the cities.


Imran:

You're turning into boshko!!!!!


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