21-06-2002 13:53									#31
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Since when were we blaming the ref? Seems like someone just had that post ready and was waiting to use it.

I will quote myself from the Counterglow thread.

****ING **** SECOND ****ING HALF PERFORMANCE ****ING ****ERS DOING WHAT MAN-****ING-UTD DID AGAINST LEVER****INGKUSEN IN HOOFING THE BALL UP THE PITCH LIKE A BUNCH OF SULZEERS!!!!!!!!!!!

We aren't blaming the referee because we were bad, so stop putting words into our mouths.

	21-06-2002 14:02									#32
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I think the red card to Ronaldinho was more than deserved. It was idiotic for him to do that. England had a superb opportunity to win today. They let it go. To me Brazil wasn't that superior at all. Now the final is gonna be Germany-Brazil and you know Lineker's definition of soccer...

	21-06-2002 14:13									#33
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JohnIII; Yeah, I'm a post-bot

There was some whining in the beginning of the thread about taking dives. That's what the post was about. The ref part was what a italian would say.

	21-06-2002 14:28									#34
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It was a terrible sending off and Brazil deserved to win. We played badly.

	21-06-2002 14:44									#35
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Having seen the England team today I wonder why I wasn't selected...I would have outplayed Scholes...

	21-06-2002 14:52									#36
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quote: Originally posted by kittenOFchaos Having seen the England team today I wonder why I wasn't selected...I would have outplayed Scholes...

it'll be better on euro 2004. you will lose to germany on penalties

	21-06-2002 14:54									#37
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ENGLAND DESERVED TO LOSE!!!

Basically, if you sweep everything else aside England had 30 minutes with an extra player. Did they start mounting a punishing counter attack? No, they whacked huge long balls out of Brazil's end - wasted!!! Did they pass the ball about to tire out the Brizilians, or anything else vaguely dangerous??? No they probably BACKPASSED the ball more times than forwards - they almost even gave away a second goal!!!

Well, did they bring on another striker to pile on the pressure? Er yes - by taking off our most dangerous player!!!

Strangely enough - if you continue to play defensively when you're a goal down, you lose!

I don't care if we'd gone another goal down if we really made an effort to attack - at least we would have tried!



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As for other things...

We were lucky with our goal, but hey...

Ronaldinho's run and Rivaldo's goal was pure class!!!

Absolutely fantastic!

Now, the second goal should never have happened!!!

I will tell you why...

NAYIM!

About ten years ago he allowed himself to be chipped by Nayim from the halfway line (about 50 yds), which cost Arsenal the European Cup that year...

Now, he can allow himself to be beaten any other way - but not by being chipped - it's just not allowed!!!

He should never play again! He is 38 anyway...

Ronaldinho being sent off - perhaps I'm one of the few people here to have actually watched the game, because he clearly elbowed Mills in the face (couldn't happen to a better player BTW ). Not only that, but he also took a swipe at his face a split second before.

It's obvious - the Aussies even said so in the TV studio when watching the slow-mo...

England's other downfall (virtue?) is that it's too amateur - apparently we were the cleanest team in the World Cups with the least bookings. We just don't think to foul - most of our fouls are just clumsy challenges without any malice intended. I can only think of one player on our with a nasty streak (Danny Mills), but then it comes with the territory being a Leeds player...

One the other side of the ball, Scolari apparently doesn't mind how often his players commit intentional fouls as long as they win...

Brazil for example would never have allowed the first goal to happen - one of the several players close to Ronaldinho would have 'accidentally bumped' into him... As did happen on a number of occasions to English players during the game...

Then of course there's the blatant gamesmanship of Rivaldo - he went down like a cry baby sack of sh1t every time an English player even looked at him!

And no, the ref wasn't biased.

There was a bunch of dubious free kicks on the edge of the England box awarded to Brazil and similar ones were not awarded to England. The only potentially biased thing was the sending off - which looked clear cut to me and the TV station on the replays, also to the ref as he was so quick to flourish the red...

Basically England threw the game away, and once they did that they decided to roll over and die!

Now I need something to cheer me up - like Germany thrashing the US...

	21-06-2002 14:54									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Kropotkin JohnIII; Yeah, I'm a post-bot The ref part was what a italian would say.

I'm beginning to get annoyed

	21-06-2002 14:55									#39
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nothing beats yesterday's newsitems

Seaman as good as ever: Eriksson
SHIZUOKA, Japan, June 21 (AFP)
Veteran England keeper David Seaman could prolong his career until the Euro 2004 finals in Portugal, according to coach Sven-Goran Eriksson.
Speaking ahead of Friday's World Cup quarter-final against Brazil here, Eriksson said that a final decision on whether he should play on would be taken by the 38-year-old player himself.
"David Seaman still has the desire. He's very keen on working. He's very precise in his work and what he eats and how to live and so on," said the England coach.
"He is still very fit and quick and you cannot buy experience."
Eriksson confirmed that if Seaman asked him whether it was worth continuing his international career, he would tell him to do so.
However, he knows that the real answer can only come from the Arsenal keeper himself as to whether he retains his hunger for the game and steers clear of serious injuries.
"Whether he carries on until the Euro 2004 finals is, I think, very much up to him and up to Arsene Wenger as to whether he plays regular football for Arsenal," added Eriksson.
"One day, players with that amount of experience wake up and aren't hungry any more and that's it.
Eriksson has been impressed with Seaman's form during the tournament, having let in only one goal in the four games before the Brazil game. He has enjoyed three successive shut-outs against Argentina, Nigeria and Denmark.
If Seaman does decide to carry on, that would effectively spell the end of Nigel Martyn's international career, given that the 35-year-old Leeds keeper would remain in his shadow.

	21-06-2002 15:03									#40
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Well at least our clubs won't be sacking any Brasilian players in their employ

	21-06-2002 15:04									#41
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I'm not blaming the ref, he did us a favour by sending off Ronaldinho unfairly. I'm glad we didn't win because of that bad decision. He didn't have a great game but he was as bad for them as he was for us.

	21-06-2002 15:08									#42
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quote: Originally posted by MOBIUS England's other downfall (virtue?) is that it's too amateur - apparently we were the cleanest team in the World Cups with the least bookings. We just don't think to foul - most of our fouls are just clumsy challenges without any malice intended.

You still belive that do you? I'm not talking about the game at hand but in general. Most englishmen (when losing) calls the other sides for animals. Frankly there has been quite a few really dirty players playing for England. They play dirty and take dives too (I was three ones in this game).

	21-06-2002 15:17									#43
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Beckham dived a few times in this game. Scholesy was lucky not to be booked but generally we haven't fouled that many times. Only 3 fouls from us in the whole Argentina game..

	21-06-2002 15:20									#44
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this is hillarious, especially scottish gloating

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,0-1054801,00.html

	21-06-2002 15:20									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Kropotkin You still belive that do you? I'm not talking about the game at hand but in general. Most englishmen (when losing) calls the other sides for animals. Frankly there has been quite a few really dirty players playing for England. They play dirty and take dives too (I was three ones in this game).

Well obviously you can name them all, I'm interested in these really dirty players - which ones? Which fouls?

As for the dives, which ones, there was one or two I remember but I'd like you to give us a run down.

	21-06-2002 15:21									#46
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Welcome back, Mobius.

	21-06-2002 15:24									#47
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Now listen you dump englishmen

If you hadn't kicked Denmark out, THEN YOU WOULDN'T HAVE LOST THIS MATCH .

Oh, I think I just you..........

Own succes is wonderful - but others failure is not to be neglected.

	21-06-2002 15:28									#48
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quote: Originally posted by MOBIUS Well obviously you can name them all, I'm interested in these really dirty players - which ones? Which fouls? As for the dives, which ones, there was one or two I remember but I'd like you to give us a run down.

i agree. english are not dirty players, they really are fair.
the only reason i cheer their exit is because their media hyped up their overrated players. christ, even germans make fun of their lads, but in england media and punters get carried away and start worshipping them

i still cannot believe that ericsson really changed them so much that they could not switch to offensive when they were a goal down. irish squad was, IMHO, much much better in this world cup

	21-06-2002 15:31									#49
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Gazza broke his arm when he tried to hit it in another players face. It wasn't a national game but that kind of sets a standard.

The dives where as follows: Beckham twice ran into the box and the ball and fell when he couldn't get it. Scholes ran on the left side and dived when he noticed the brazilian was faster.

edit: Dennis Wise...

edit 2: Scholes two-footet attack on Håkan Mild in the england vs. Sweden qualification game for the euro2000 at Wembley.

	21-06-2002 15:37									#50
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quote: i still cannot believe that ericsson really changed them so much that they could not switch to offensive when they were a goal down. irish squad was, IMHO, much much better in this world cup

We couldn't do that before he took over.

	21-06-2002 16:38									#51
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Tony Adams wasn't known to play with silk gloves, was he?

I think England should blame the referee for sending Ronaldinho off. They played worse after that, the referee obviously was pro-Brazilian...

Carolus

	21-06-2002 17:20									#52
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Sweden's also out. They got their arse kicked in the first round.

	21-06-2002 17:49									#53
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I think England didn't play well on the day, started off well, but just seemed to loose it, especially once the first goal went in.

I don't think the ref was baised, simply hopless would be a better explanation. I think Brazil have every right to be annoyed for the sending off.

Any team that can go 1 man down, and still play like they have more men, deserves applauding .. well done Brazil.

As far as the gloaters here, im suprised there was no more .. maybe they're yet to logon, we don't give 2 hoots about what you think, England did better than most of your own national sides, and no matter what you say, it won't change that fact.

Although, Id love to see an underdog go and win it (USA,S.KOREA,TURKEY,SENEGAL) .. I still think Spain is the team to watch, and out of the favourites (BRAZIL, GERMANY, SPAIN) I hope they go and win it .. they deserve to.. they are a strong footballing nation, who have no world cup to show for it..yet

	21-06-2002 17:52									#54
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Sai che ti dico? Dopo quello che avete detto dell'Italia...

...bè, vi sta bene.

Brazil, è lungo un metro e pesa un kil...

	21-06-2002 18:19									#55
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I think we lost to the only team capable of beating us in the WC.

Well done England.

	21-06-2002 18:31									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's I think we lost to the only team capable of beating us in the WC. Well done England.

megalomaniac as always...

	21-06-2002 18:32									#57
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quote: Originally posted by LaRusso megalomaniac as always...

Huh?

How so?

	21-06-2002 18:34									#58
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quote: Originally posted by The Viceroy As far as the gloaters here, im suprised there was no more .. maybe they're yet to logon, we don't give 2 hoots about what you think, England did better than most of your own national sides, and no matter what you say, it won't change that fact.

as far as i remember it was english who were gloating here until now
cmon its time to rubbish seaman. you just got yourself a new garreth southgate

	21-06-2002 18:35									#59
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quote: Originally posted by LaRusso as far as i remember it was english who were gloating here until now cmon its time to rubbish seaman. you just got yourself a new garreth southgate

David Seaman is the best keeper I've seen in the tournament after Oliver Kahn.

	21-06-2002 18:37									#60
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