08-05-2000 04:33									#1
	CTP= good or bad ? Put an end to popups!

Well, I dont have the game but I read a lots about CTP and almost all of the reviews were bad, why gamespot make a bad review ?
Is CTP a bad game?

thank you

	08-05-2000 05:31									#2
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It's bad, real bad.

	08-05-2000 13:05									#3
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Its a lot better with the various Mod's you can download, see the thread on newcomers for more info on them.

	09-05-2000 02:52									#4
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You'll have to make up your own mind on that, otherwise we'll have ourselves, yet again, another riveting "It sucks!--it rocks!--it sucks!--it rocks!" species of argument. Still, the intellectually-challenged have seemed to dislike the game to an irrational degree.




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	09-05-2000 05:06									#5
	Increase the size of your Attachments

Hey Nord,
You also forgot the emotionally "challenged". (see post #2)

Big Dave

	11-05-2000 08:16									#6
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I wrote a couple of articles for apolyton why CTP sucks, here's a summary:

• Activision gave the shaft to their playtesters and released a buggy game, took forever to patch it, and has moved onto the sequel before finishing CTP 1.
  
• The interface is a bastard, that is, if you ever played another Civ title, activision thought it would be best to change everything for the worst. Moves that used to require 1 click now require about 3-5
  
• The AI is Dumb, and not just slightly impaired, but real stupid.
  
• There is no diplomacy, only war and have not discovered thee yet.
  
• The art is uh, different, and the more I think about it the more I hate the polished look of many the units, they look as if they have been covered with chrome, and the movement gets on my flipping nerves
  
• The pathing is awful, and why not? Everybody wants their units walking over mountains and have it so the unit cannot be stopped once a mistaken click is made. Of course activision assumes that a player will always move a unit if he or she clicks on it.
  

	11-05-2000 08:53									#7
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

What he said.

	11-05-2000 14:55									#8
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

Have you two tried any of the mods? The AI is no longer dumb and other things have been improved.

	11-05-2000 18:35									#9
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Well, I have been reading these forums for quite some time now and this is my first post.
Really exciting

But to the point now.
I bought CTP the moment it came out and I have been playing it ever since. To be honest I didn't liked it at first either (seems to be the same for everyone who's used to CIV 2 ).
But you've got to give it a second chance eventhough you won't be seeing any fancy cityscreens floaded with gold,science or people.
And if you are a TB strategie and simulation fan,CTP and CIV 2 are problably the best games available for the moment.
And for those who are whining about the little sitbacks of the game, clearly the advantages don't weight up to the disadvantages or how do you say that in english.

	12-05-2000 12:13									#10
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

I'm not going to go into this argument again, but I'll just say that I've had plenty of enjoyment out of CtP, and I haven't even tried any of the mods yet. There's plenty of things that could have been better, but it's still a good game.

Play it on a friend's computer and see what you think. And try to find it cheap somewhere.

- MKL

	12-05-2000 19:42									#11
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

I was actually thinking of asking the same question earlier today, and Lo i find someone beat me to it?!?!!? So the general concensus is that it's an ok game, but buggy as hell, isn't quite what it was claimed to be!! But if it's right for you, you can still get into it!!!

So i don't think i'll spend £15 of my hard earned money on it!!!! does anyone think the sequel is going to be anything worth looking at? even though i haven't got a hope in hell of getting that one to run, i don't even know why i'm saying all this cause my p75 probably wouldn't even run CtP either way, i mean i could only just get SMAC to load after about 2 hours tweaking my ram with qemm, god i hate being suck in the 20th centruy?!?!?!? ****!!! sorry guys, i'm drivelling again?!?! take me out to the barn like old yella' and put me out of my misery, by the way. Has any one read that book? is it as good as the film? argh!!!!

	13-05-2000 13:36									#12
	Inflate your Upload Space

Can any1 tell me plz a good mod for better AI pereformance ? I played it 4 a few months now and well ... you know it your self .
but I think that this game is one big Beta Version anyway . a nice one . but buggy as hell .

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	13-05-2000 17:13									#13
	Remove this text

I gave CTP about 4 or 5 "chances" over the period of a year. Every time I realized the game was awful in almost all aspects but music (I always liked the music).

	13-05-2000 19:51									#14
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

Face it, the game sucks.

	14-05-2000 00:45									#15
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>>Face it, the game sucks<<

Then why are so many people still playing it???

	15-05-2000 03:28									#16
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

Don't bother replying to Horsey, he's just here trolling for attention.

And DarthVeda will go away when things pick up in the Civ3 forum.

Either that or they're both the same person. Either way, just ignore him.

Big Dave

	15-05-2000 20:23									#17
	Suffering from ads?

Big Dave, your response is no more enlightened then theirs. Just because a game is being played by a number of people does NOT mean it's any good. Witness the 1,000,000+ copies sold of the Deer Hunter games (nearly all very low rated). You have to remember that alot of gamers here have and are still playing Civ2. CtP was an incomplete product and of inferior design. I mean, how many titles do you know where gamers had to create mod packs (or the like) just to play the game out of the box? I'm not talking about patches, I'm refering to changing design aspects to make it playable. No, people saying that CtP is bad do have very valid arguments.

	16-05-2000 09:33									#18
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meanwhile, other people are still playing ctp WITHOUT any mods...

	15-05-2000 23:17									#19
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Steve, if you've been following these forums for any length of time you would already know that I have a number of complaints about CTP, not the least of which is that they didn't finish the game. Not just polish it, but get it out of beta.

My gripes with AH and Veda are that they are no more than a couple of trolls screaming "CTP stinks!" every chance they get. No constructive criticism, no "I don't like this feature", just whine and complain and try to start flame wars.

Big Dave

	15-05-2000 23:30									#20
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Fair enough, I agree (see my response in CtP2-General under '...objectionable').

	16-05-2000 05:46									#21
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

Pay no attention to little dave. he's like the person who buys a dud car and thinks he has to keep driving it to get his money's worth.

	16-05-2000 06:51									#22
	Increase Your PM Length

Pathetic flames and lame trolling are the best you can do Horsey? Come now, display the rapier wit you are so famous for. Come, come. You call that a personal attack? I've seen better from toddlers!

Come, Sir Coward, the anonymity of the Internet protects you, strike again, I say!

	16-05-2000 07:35									#23
	Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

I would look at *who* is playing the game, rather than just how many people are, and *why* they are playing the game. The guys I have worked with on the Med mods are all civ-series veterans who are very familiar with most of the Microprose games, and have years of playing experience. I received a note last week complimenting me on the Civ2 mod I sent in to Apolyton a couple of years ago.
Anyway, if a bunch of people with extensive civ experience believe the game is better than the others, and spend a lot of time making mods for it, than I would probably pluck down $20 to try it out at least. (Just remember to try the Med pack before you give up on the game.)

	16-05-2000 07:56									#24
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

Hi Wes I was going to ask dave where you were, but now you're here. Hope you're feeling better.

Dave, you always start the flaming. On this occasion I'm not going to stoop to your level.

	16-05-2000 20:09									#26
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

I wasn't going to come back in but I think a point needs to be made. AH did bring up a good analogy about the dud car. It is human nature to try to justify value of a purchase, regardless if the product is good or bad. This is true for gamers in the amount of effort that can be invested, not only in playing the game, but in the anticipation of it. CtP certainly falls in the anticipation idea since it follows very successful titles. Since a number of civers really wanted to improve upon Civ2 (hard to do, imo), they really wanted CtP to work. And reviewing a number of posts here, they still do. I am biased in that I think Civ2 is the ONLY good civ title (didn't play Civ1) for in the Strategy forum, we are still coming up with new challenges and new ideas, without any modpacks.

	16-05-2000 22:25									#27
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I haven't played CTP since it became apparant that Activision wasn't going to fix it. And if I feel something is a bad value I'll tell others, but I'll tell them WHY it's a bad value. I activly discourage people from purchasing CTP because the game is not finished, I encourage people to not buy CTP2 until it's been out for 6 months and we can all see if Activision is going to correct their previous mistakes or just try to soak us for more cash. What more do you want from me?

But I have had enough of certain pinheads performing their visceral mantra as if it means something. Either add something useful to the thread or prepare to get flamed. (Not directed at you, Steven)

And if you have any questions about who AH is, well just search a little. You'll see he has a reputation on this board already if you look here. Even Markos had something nice to say.
[This message has been edited by Big Dave (edited May 16, 2000).]

	17-05-2000 00:28									#28
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I'm the 'almost-fifty' guy playin' CTP who finds it much more engaging than CivII...but I have no cents as I was gifted the game by my daughter 'cause she was hooked on AC...duh.

When I first started to play CTP I found many things annoying (unit movement, for one) beside my shallow learning curve with new games and their cryptic interfaces...I learned about the Apolyton site and stepped up to the kool freshness of mods (huzza)...later I found Deiter's way-out civilogue on slavery and deity domination, and all the other forum brigades here abouts.

CTP is in many ways a better game because of all the inputs it has received...it has been fortuitous, imo, that Activision lamed CTP to market...expectations were high and the tar baby caught us all, the hugh and tumult has made for at least more interesting forums...

hell, (bad word) even the long-standing shriekers are still shuffling about, posting their phlegm (apparently imflammible to some)

this is just another fine mess...no, really

I'm glad none of you can overturn the board when you get real upset!

	21-05-2000 06:02									#29
	Full PM-box? Change here!

CTP is the best Computer Game I ever played. No other game followed me in my dreams. I love it and I hope that the sequel comes for Mac Users at the same time as for Windows Users.