23-06-2002 08:20									#61
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http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/
It's Qur`an.

quote: If there were 10 million Celts that have been escaping persecution for over a thousand years, and they wanted to settle in England, and every major religious scripture that mentions the Hebrews speaks of Israel belonging to them, promises England to the Celts, I would have no problem with them reclaiming the land.

Right!
All whites, blacks and Asians get out of North America and back to where they came from!
It belongs to the Amerinds now. Just like it should be!!

	23-06-2002 08:23									#62
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Hey, the strongest survive. What happened to the Indians was bad, but oh well, sh!t happens. I'll support any nation fighting Islamic aggression and terrorism until the day I die. And even then, I'll haunt any mosque that preaches hate and anti-semetism.

If you're not with Israel, you're against her. If you're against her, you're on the side of evil and terrorism.

	23-06-2002 08:24									#63
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quote: Originally posted by ranskaldan http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/ It's Qur`an.

Write the editors of my religion book then.

	23-06-2002 08:29									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Sava Hey, the strongest survive. What happened to the Indians was bad, but oh well, sh!t happens.

Well well, so the Holocaust is, errrr, inevitable, and, errr okay, right? After all, the strongest survive.
If that's how you look at history, then anything is justifiable.

quote: I'll support any nation fighting Islamic aggression and terrorism until the day I die. And even then, I'll haunt any mosque that preaches hate and anti-semetism.

I support any nation fighting for freedom, justice and equality. After I die, I will haunt any mosque, church, or synagogue that preaches hate or racism.

quote: If you're not with Israel, you're against her. If you're against her, you're on the side of evil and terrorism.

Right......

(If you're not with America, you're against her. If you're against her, you're on the side of evil and terrorism. Thus, even if America bombs Belgrade or some other city with a nuke, you shall still worship America, forever.)

	23-06-2002 08:30									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Sava Write the editors of my religion book then.

Perhaps you should.

	23-06-2002 08:40									#66
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quote: Killing 100,000 and ending the war is better than having the war continue 3 more years, thus killing 3,000,000

Not necessarily true. What if those 100,000 are women and children, and those 3 million are soldiers?

Or even if that isn't the case, who are you to play God and say that 100,000 people have to die today, in order to fulfill your belief that that will spare 3 million unspecified people you think will die?

	23-06-2002 08:43									#67
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quote: If you're not with Israel, you're against her. If you're against her, you're on the side of evil and terrorism.

You're saying this about a nation who just lobbed tank shells into a civilian marketplace, puts curfews on civilians with orders to shoot anyone who breaks the curfew, and attacks civilian areas with tanks and mechanized vehicles? What a joke.

I'm fully against Israel, but if the Palestinians would restrict their terrorism to the Israeli military and possibly government, I suppose I'd probably support those actions.

	23-06-2002 08:52									#68
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd I'm fully against Israel, but if the Palestinians would restrict their terrorism to the Israeli military and possibly government, I suppose I'd probably support those actions.

I wouldn't suppose that I would like to broadcast that to the forum.....
but David Floyd:



edit:
alright, alright, so i'm feeling a bit extreme today.
But then, I just watched "Uprising", the movie.
Isn't it weird how history repeats itself in the most ironic ways?

	23-06-2002 09:06									#69
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The Pals should take a lesson from the IRA - don't hit civilians.

	23-06-2002 09:09									#70
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Indeed.
Hitting civilians is very bad PR.

	23-06-2002 09:11									#71
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd The Pals should take a lesson from the IRA - don't hit civilians.

The IRA only cared about the lives of civilians for a very small part of its early history.

	23-06-2002 09:14									#72
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quote: The IRA only cared about the lives of civilians for a very small part of its early history.

True, but they also realized that they were better off hitting military targets - going after the SAS was much better from a PR perspective (and a military one) than bombing neighborhoods.

I'm not an expert on the IRA, but I DO know they didn't do suicide bombings on buses.

I'm only saying the Palestinians should restrict their attacks to military and political targets - whether or not the IRA was a good example is not the point.

	23-06-2002 11:00									#73
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David, prior to last month only one of the major palestinian groups performed attacks on civilians inside the green line. The other three major groups limited their attacks to military and settlers.

After the Israeli invasion Jenin, however, they all proclaimed that if Israel wishes to escalate the conflict, so would they.

	23-06-2002 11:03									#74
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ranskalden:

quote: But then, I just watched "Uprising", the movie. Isn't it weird how history repeats itself in the most ironic ways?

Me too. It churned my stomach to see the end texts though... About half of the jews who survived the ghetto fight promptly went ot Israel. It really disgusted me how easy they turned from victims to oppressor...

	23-06-2002 11:06									#75
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Siro, I understand how horrible it must be to have been forced into the treaty of Versialle by those nasty back-stabbing jews.

Oh wait, I confused conflicts here. You are blaming the palestinians for Israel occupying palestine, right? It's hard to keep track of the propaganda around here.

	23-06-2002 15:13									#76
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quote: Originally posted by CyberGnu Siro, I understand how horrible it must be to have been forced into the treaty of Versialle by those nasty back-stabbing jews. Oh wait, I confused conflicts here. You are blaming the palestinians for Israel occupying palestine, right? It's hard to keep track of the propaganda around here.

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	23-06-2002 17:55									#77
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Ahhh, anti-semetism is alive and well in the world. Zig Hei David!

Although, I guess I can't expect anything more from a conservative.

	23-06-2002 20:43									#78
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quote: Originally posted by Sava Ahhh, anti-semetism is alive and well in the world. Zig Hei David! Although, I guess I can't expect anything more from a conservative.

I'm pro-liberal.

Besides, tell us what you mean by anti-Semitism.
Is opposing the Holocaust anti-German?
Is opposing sanctions on Cuba anti-American?
Is opposing slavery around the world therefore anti-World?

	23-06-2002 21:39									#79
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quote: Ahhh, anti-semetism is alive and well in the world. Zig Hei David!

Yes, I hate Jews because I oppose Israel.

****ing idiot.

	23-06-2002 22:31									#80
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quote: why dont you come , so you see for yourself what we do , ..... you really are welcome , ....

Nah, I'd either be punctuated to death or just stand baffled in incomprehension.

	23-06-2002 22:40									#81
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Israel is defending itself from annihilation, how can you hate that, "****ing idiot".

	23-06-2002 22:47									#82
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quote: Israel is defending itself from annihilation, how can you hate that, "****ing idiot".

Hmmm, let's see, maybe because a)they have no moral right to exist as a nation, especially in their location, and b)they are killing civilians and violating individual rights.

But don't let reason and logic get in your way - I still hate Jews, right?

	23-06-2002 22:47									#83
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quote: Israel is defending itself from annihilation, how can you hate that, "****ing idiot".

Yeah, we'll try to remember that the next time Israeli tanks shoot on people armed with rocks...

Pray tell, what is it that the palestinians could do to annihilate Israel? Launch a nuclear program?

	23-06-2002 23:16									#84
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quote: Pray tell, what is it that the palestinians could do to annihilate Israel? Launch a nuclear program?

Which might be threatening - IF ISRAEL DIDN'T HAVE THEIR OWN!

	23-06-2002 23:49									#85
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quote: Originally posted by Sava Israel is defending itself from annihilation, how can you hate that, "****ing idiot".

Right.

A little-known fact is that Nazi Germany was also saving itself from annihilation when it invaded Poland in 1939. Yes. The Poles by then were already developing the nuclear bomb, yes yes, and if the Germans hadn't launched a decisive pre-emptive strike, the Poles would have conquered and enslaved the German population for sure.

Besides, the land known as "Poland" is historically German. Germanic peoples, from the Goths to the Teutonic knights, have crisscrossed the area known as "Poland". The Germans are merely re-liberating a piece of land that has been historically German. The Poles are Slavic invaders from a later era and have no right to a country called "Poland".

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(There is heavy sarcasm involved in the previous two paragraphs, in case you haven't noticed.
But hey, such ridiculous arguments like the two previous paragraphs actually exist.)

	24-06-2002 00:12									#86
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd Yes, I hate Jews because I oppose Israel. ****ing idiot.

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	24-06-2002 00:13									#87
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quote: Originally posted by CyberGnu Nah, I'd either be punctuated to death or just stand baffled in incomprehension.

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	24-06-2002 00:19									#88
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Frankly, I don't think I'm the only person who thinks that there's something wrong with entering a place, slowly replace the area with your own people, (to heck with the original inhabitants!) and then declaring the land to be your own.

That was what Nazi Germany was planning to do with Poland and western Russia, and that is wrong.

If you think that by saying what I said, I'm therefore anti-Semitic, then your reasoning belongs together with that of white supremacists who thinks that attempts to defend minority rights is a commie-Jew-black conspiracy designed to be anti-white.

	24-06-2002 05:16									#89
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quote: A little-known fact is that Nazi Germany was also saving itself from annihilation when it invaded Poland in 1939. Yes. The Poles by then were already developing the nuclear bomb, yes yes, and if the Germans hadn't launched a decisive pre-emptive strike, the Poles would have conquered and enslaved the German population for sure. Besides, the land known as "Poland" is historically German. Germanic peoples, from the Goths to the Teutonic knights, have crisscrossed the area known as "Poland". The Germans are merely re-liberating a piece of land that has been historically German. The Poles are Slavic invaders from a later era and have no right to a country called "Poland".

Nice!

	24-06-2002 05:29									#90
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd But don't let reason and logic get in your way - I still hate Jews, right?

No, you just hate the nation state that is their homeland. But how different is that? But I don't expect to change your bigoted ignorant views.