24-06-2002 00:21									#61
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Laz, yeah. Let's have it!

Jaako. More towards the latter. Involved sauna followed by jumping naked in the snow. No women would do it and most of the men refused to...Just me, Finn teacher and a couple of Dutchers...

	24-06-2002 00:25									#62
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I've actually never done that, but then again I'm a real Finn, and I don't need to prove myself that way...

	24-06-2002 00:30									#63
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Well...I have certificate and everything, signed by an INSEAD professor...

	24-06-2002 02:32									#64
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I second Foucault's Pendulum--you might bump it up a couple of slots in your read queue. Name of the Rose demands a 100-page "investment" of time before the story actually kicks off, so I wouldn't necessarily recommend it.

Re Keagan, yes the war historian. I haven't read his WWI book, but the Agincourt section of The Face of Battle was first-rate.

If you like inventive language, you might like Nabokov's Lolita.

If you're into modern sci-fi, William Gibson's Neuromancer is a good read.

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	24-06-2002 03:32									#65
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Don Quichote by Miguel Cervantes, it's quite funny, satirical and entertaining with a serious literary undertone about a dreamer and believer of tall tales and legends about knights who only ends up chasing windmills.

One of the world's literary masterpieces

	24-06-2002 03:44									#66
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quote: Originally posted by GP Just looking for some good stuff to read. Can be novels light or serious. (If it is too dense and literary...I don't want that.) Or can be interesting non-fiction. No science fiction/fantasy series. I generaly hate series. (There are a few I like...LOTR, HP...but usually they are too boring. Big tome like stretched out stories.)

hi ,

try the "Satanic verses" , Salman Rushdie , .....

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	24-06-2002 03:51									#67
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Yes, I agree: THE SATANIC VERSES by SALMAN RUSHDIE might be just the greatest book I've ever read...
Don Quijote was nice, too.

At the moment I'm reading Obabakoak by Bernardo Atxaga.

I might also recommend some Kerouac, Burroughs (William, the beat poet, not that other stupid ****), Kafka, Nietzsche, and perhaps Gabriel García Marquez and Jorge Luis Borges (haven't had time to start reading, but I'm expecting something great)

edit: WTF??!?! They censor words like TWAT nowadays??!?!

	24-06-2002 03:55									#68
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hi ,

a bit heavy , but still , "islamic fundametalism" , by one youssef m. choueiri , .....try to get the revised edition of 1997 , it was first writen in 1990 , ....

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quote: Originally posted by MosesPresley I'm a little late with a recommendation. It looks like you have plenty to choose from here, but if you have the time you might like Charles Bukowski. I recommend Post Office, Factotum, or Women.

What do you like about Bukowski? How would you describe his books (e.g. sci-fi, mystery, prose, etc.)?

	24-06-2002 08:32									#70
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Stephan R. Donaldson The Illearth Wars 6 books great stuff.

	24-06-2002 08:34									#71
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Terry Pratchett rulez.

Seriously, the Discworld series provide days of comic literature.

	24-06-2002 08:35									#72
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You should also try some Jorge Luis Borges or Julio Cortazar.

	24-06-2002 08:49									#73
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quote: Originally posted by loinburger I also liked Cryptonomicon by Stephenson(?).

Good call on the Cryptonomicron.

Also if you like reading Biography's then I would recommend:

Gore Vidal's "Lincoln"

	24-06-2002 08:55									#74
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Nonfiction, eh? Ever read the autobiography "Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman"?

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I liked that one a lot.

	24-06-2002 10:18									#76
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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai What do you like about Bukowski? How would you describe his books (e.g. sci-fi, mystery, prose, etc.)?

Please allow me...Charles Bukowski was one of the most lazy, disgusting hedonists who ever put pen to paper. He was basically a Bowery bum who just so happened to write prodigiously, and was eventually "discovered" and made popular by the crowd that likes their prose gritty, extremely realistic and unforgiving. If you ever wanted to know what it would be like to be a sloppy, alcoholic skirt chaser cobbling toegether nickels for cheap cigars and wine and shlepping down at the horse tracks but always losing on the ponies and the tail, too....this is your man.
You love him or hate him...the movie Barfly was based on his life/works.
Totally autobiographical writer. I've really enjoyed him. In fact, my earlier recommendation of John Fante fits in, because Fante was one of Bukowski's biggest influences and they are not dissimilar...Fante is just gentler and more refined.

	24-06-2002 11:10									#77
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quote: Foucault's Pendulum by Umberto Eco - a great conspiracy/mystery sort of book, where a practical joke done by three book editors goes horribly wrong. Very complex. I can't tell much else, I've only started on it myself. But I do love it so far.

I triple the vote on this one. This is one of those books I read once a year as a gift to myself . One of my favorite books, and got me seriously interested in the history and lore of the occult and esotericism. It's a book about everything

Dave

	24-06-2002 13:16									#78
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quote: Originally posted by SuperSneak Please allow me...Charles Bukowski was one of the most lazy, disgusting hedonists who ever put pen to paper. He was basically a Bowery bum who just so happened to write prodigiously, and was eventually "discovered" and made popular by the crowd that likes their prose gritty, extremely realistic and unforgiving. If you ever wanted to know what it would be like to be a sloppy, alcoholic skirt chaser cobbling toegether nickels for cheap cigars and wine and shlepping down at the horse tracks but always losing on the ponies and the tail, too....this is your man. You love him or hate him...the movie Barfly was based on his life/works. Totally autobiographical writer. I've really enjoyed him. In fact, my earlier recommendation of John Fante fits in, because Fante was one of Bukowski's biggest influences and they are not dissimilar...Fante is just gentler and more refined.

Thanks, SuperSneak. I think you summed it up pretty well, but you forgot to mention that his stories are hilarious and strangely warm.

	24-06-2002 13:29									#79
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Yes, that's true. But people like GP may not be as perceptive as you and I, so you kind of have to put it in very simple terms.

	24-06-2002 19:31									#80
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo Nonfiction, eh? Ever read the autobiography "Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman"?

Done that, been there. Plus actually met a couple people who knew Feinman...

	24-06-2002 19:34									#81
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"The Rickover Effect: How One Man Made a Difference"
By Theodore Rockwell

Sounds like a match made in heaven...

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the Mole People , ....

or something in a different way ; Biohazard

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	24-06-2002 23:45									#83
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Ever read 'Angela's Ashes' by Frank McCourt? Great book!

	24-06-2002 23:50									#84
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quote: Originally posted by MosesPresley Thanks, SuperSneak. I think you summed it up pretty well, but you forgot to mention that his stories are hilarious and strangely warm.

Apart from the ones that are totally repulsive, such as ones about raping children.

	24-06-2002 23:55									#85
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GP- Some non-fiction tips.

"Into thin air"- Jon Krakauer. An account of the 1996 Mt Everest disaster. It's one of the most tense books I've ever read.

"The hot zone". I've forgotten who wrote it, but it's pretty famous. It's an account of the emergence of the Ebola and Marburg viruses, and it's the scariest book I've ever read, bar none.

"Touching the void"- Joe Simpson. I read a lot of mountaineering writing and this is one of the best. It's an account of Simpson trying to get off a mountain after breaking his leg then falling into a deep crevasse.

"The electric Kool-Aid Acid Test"- Tom Wolfe. The birth of psychedelia.

"In Pharaoh's army"- Tobias Woolfe. Best book I've read about the Vietnam war and the Tet offensive.

	25-06-2002 00:07									#86
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Ron, I've read half off your list and I liked them. Will check out the rest.

	25-06-2002 01:45									#87
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quote: Originally posted by Ron Jeremy Apart from the ones that are totally repulsive, such as ones about raping children.

WHAT?!

Give me the story title or book. I've read almost everything by the man and I haven't read any child rape stories.

	25-06-2002 01:51									#88
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Hey Imran, I have Angela's Ashes in my bookshelf... waiting on the line to be read.

	25-06-2002 04:06									#89
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Ron Jeremy,

Are you sure you are not confusing Charles Bukowski with William S. Burroughs?
They were both beat generation writers, but other than that they have nothing in common.

	25-06-2002 04:13									#90
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I just finished reading Blind Man's Bluff and it made me think of you ya little Rickover.

the Keegan book I would recommend is "The History of Warfare" - more of the social history rather than a 'in 1916 the first tank appeared'

Speaking of 1916, the book "1915" by McDonald, iirc is a great personal look into the first full year of WW1 with a lot of letters home and first hand accounts.