24-06-2002 00:50									#1
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I have just found my Civ II(Along with Fantastic Worlds and Conflicts in Civilization Scenarios expantion packs) And instaled it in my computer. Although the videos dont play right( But hey I am use to this by playing Civ III with out thoes wonder movies, and advisor animations, And I play without the CD in Civ II. )
I am just wondering in the Civ community whitch Civ games you play . Anyway I have placed a poll.

	24-06-2002 01:09									#2
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Incase if anyone asks. I am still loyal to Civ III. Sometimes you just need to excape to an early game. (Thats what Simcity.com did, For thoes who are overexposed to the new game can excape to there online version of the game Sim City Classic .) Its not that I do not like Civ III (Its a preaty exelent game .) It just that you sometimes need to excape the ravages of the bugs before Civ III: PTW comes out .


Civ III is an exelent game

Civ II is an good game to excape.

	24-06-2002 01:15									#3
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I own Civ2, Smac and Civ3. I tried playing Civ2 recently, but I can't stand the interface. I could see myself taking SMAC out for a spin, however.

	24-06-2002 01:41									#4
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Civ 3 takes hours of my life, Civ 2 I still like but cant stand the damn active unit flashing at me - that really bugs me dunno why - also tried Colonization again recently. Didnt stay long. Thats progress I guess (?)

	24-06-2002 01:44									#5
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I own Civ2 and Civ3 and tried SMAC in the past. I am unlikely to ever get back to Civ2, considering how easy it was to win it (at the same difficulty level)... Civ3 is a lot more challenge for me. And, to be honest, I have never become fond of SMAC, although I did spend numerous hours trying to get the taste of it. But that's probably just me... going to movies, I usually choose a historical drama instead of science fiction...

	24-06-2002 01:46									#6
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I play both, civ2 mainly due to the good scenarios...

	24-06-2002 01:59									#7
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This may surprise some of you, but I still play Civ1 ! I never liked Civ2. There is just something magic (even though primitive by Civ3 standards) about Civ1.

sboog

	24-06-2002 02:59									#8
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I do only play Civ2. well, I just think its better game for me. maybe I'll try Civ3 again when new patches and add-on's appear.

	24-06-2002 03:02									#9
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quote: Originally posted by sboog This may surprise some of you, but I still play Civ1 ! I never liked Civ2. There is just something magic (even though primitive by Civ3 standards) about Civ1. sboog

You're not the only one. Bruce Shelley, of Age of Empire fame, has stated that he prefers Civ1. And I'll venture that Jeff Briggs, the lead designer of Civ3, also prefers Civ1. And, IIRC, Civ3 was supposed to be a return to the spirit of Civ 1, a simple, fun, light-hearted game. I wonder, do you prefer Civ3 to Civ2?

	24-06-2002 03:29									#10
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I don't care about scenarios or MP, so for me there is no big reason to play Civ2 instead of 3.

Civ2 does have some minor features that are better, like more buildings and terraforming, and some other things. But none of those are as big as the improved AI and the new culture in Civ3, among other things.

	24-06-2002 03:37									#11
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Civ3 only these days. I've not played any Civ2 (well a couple times) since SMACx, none since Civ3.

	24-06-2002 04:27									#12
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just curious.. why do civ2's prefer this one to civ civ 3????

	24-06-2002 06:04									#13
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Civ3 is the only official civ game I play (even though I own I and II). I still regularly play SMAC/X and CTP2: both games have a lot going for them and are in many respects far superior to civ3

	24-06-2002 07:37									#14
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quote: Originally posted by nato I don't care about scenarios or MP, so for me there is no big reason to play Civ2 instead of 3. Civ2 does have some minor features that are better, like more buildings and terraforming, and some other things. But none of those are as big as the improved AI and the new culture in Civ3, among other things.

Both the Civ 3 AI, and Culture Flipping, stink like old poop.

One of the better things about Civ 3 (and there aren't that many) is, well, give me time and I'll think of one. . .

Civ 2 was more fun, and the AI wasn't in your face.

Scenarios were a nearly vital part of Civ 2, and their absence in Civ 3 is a major flaw if not a rip off.

	24-06-2002 08:48									#15
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I knew I could count on you Coracle!

The Civ3 AI is certainly better than the Civ2 AI. You might be able to argue that the Civ3 still is no good, but it is definitely better than the Civ2 one. This is what I said. The Civ2 AI was indeed less in your face, which is a lot of why it was so easy to dominate.

I used to think culture flipping was a major problem. Since improving my play, it is no longer an issue for me. Culture flips generally only happen in my favor, even though I play very war monger. I do agree however that losing military forces to a flip is a bad design idea; it just no longer happens to me.

Like I said, I couldn't care less about scenarios, but to each their own.

	24-06-2002 09:26									#16
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I jumped straight from Civ1 to Civ3. I bought Civ2, but I never really liked it much. Civ1 was the best back in its time, though after playing Civ3 I wouldn't want to go back again.

	24-06-2002 16:46									#17
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quote: Originally posted by nostromo You're not the only one. Bruce Shelley, of Age of Empire fame, has stated that he prefers Civ1. And I'll venture that Jeff Briggs, the lead designer of Civ3, also prefers Civ1. And, IIRC, Civ3 was supposed to be a return to the spirit of Civ 1, a simple, fun, light-hearted game. I wonder, do you prefer Civ3 to Civ2?

I definately prefer Civ3 to Civ2.

Right now I am playing more Civ3 than Civ1, but you are so right. Civ1 really had a simple, fun spirit and I think Civ3 captures some of that spirit.

sboog

	24-06-2002 18:57									#18
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while civ2 was a supreme game in its time, i feel that civ3, despite misperfection, is a true successor. it is very enjoyable, and civ2 just feels old in comparisson. therefore, i spend nearly all my time on civ3

	24-06-2002 19:08									#19
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I own Civ I, II, III, SMAC, and CtP.

I play all 5 of them. But Civ III gets the most play time now.

One of the big reasons I don't play Civ II anymore is because you can't move your mouse to the edge of the screen to scroll the view.

	24-06-2002 19:13									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Coracle Both the Civ 3 AI, and Culture Flipping, stink like old poop.

quote: Originally posted by nato I used to think culture flipping was a major problem. Since improving my play, it is no longer an issue for me. Culture flips generally only happen in my favor, even though I play very war monger.

I love this. I agree with you nato, culture flips rarely happen to me. Coracle must not be a very good player.

	25-06-2002 07:18									#21
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Only play civ 2 at work if it is a slow day as I haven't got civ3 installed at work. And then I only play scenarios. Civ3 is so much better than civ2. I also never have problems with my cities flipping to the AI. I enjoy the AI cities flipping to me though!!!

	25-06-2002 07:28									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Coracle Both the Civ 3 AI, and Culture Flipping, stink like old poop.

That is a perfect quote!






I disagree, but at least you show a little bit of a sense of humor!

Can I put that in my signature?

	25-06-2002 07:54									#23
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I became extremely tired of Civ2 about 6 months before SMAC came out. While I definitely bounce back and forth between Civ3 and SMAC/X, both of them are so far superior to Civ2 it is ridiculous. I do wish they'd reintroduce terraforming, but it was much too easy to exploit.

	25-06-2002 08:13									#24
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only civ2. i played civ3 briefly, but grew bored of it (quit playing just before the first patch and haven't played since). i find civ2 to be more enjoyable due to scenarios and multiplayer, but also for a nice quiet game without having the ai plop down cities all over, under, inbetween, around, and jammed in sidewise...

	25-06-2002 08:19									#25
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CTP2
(modded, of course)

	25-06-2002 12:31									#26
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I still occasionally play Colonization, although not very much (hey Col 2 would be cool) and I also divulge myself in the pleasure of laying Railroad Tracks in RRT2!

	25-06-2002 16:49									#27
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I play both games, love them both. Civ2 mainly because of all the different scenarios that add to the experience of playing it. I also agree that the AI is much better on Civ3 than Civ2, the so-called settler-diarrhea. Well its just fine by me, I thought the lack of expansion of AI civilisations in Civ2 to be very irritating. Their lack of size and the ease with which you could eventually dominate by sheer numbers was something that had to be improved, something that they did admirably.

	25-06-2002 17:27									#28
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Hmmm, it has been a long time since I last played Civ2. I'm still a fervent player of SMAC though.

	25-06-2002 17:44									#29
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hmmm.. civI... had almost forgotten that one. Is it shareware now ? cant believe they would accept money for a 10 year old game or....?

	25-06-2002 19:15									#30
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quote: Originally posted by sugar daddy hmmm.. civI... had almost forgotten that one. Is it shareware now ? cant believe they would accept money for a 10 year old game or....?

Games don't "become freeware" simply because they are old. I'm sure you could find it somewhere to download for free, but it is still illegal to do so. Copyrights never expire. Patents do, but not copyrights.

I bought the "Ultimate Strategy Collection" for $6. It had 8 games in it and one of them was Civ I. I found it on eBay.