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Sava is offline Sava
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This is a serious thread okay, I'm not making a joke.

I found out one of my former friends is basically a hate monger. He hates gay people and said he wouldn't cry one bit if they all died. I tried to convince him that he was wrong, but I couldn't compete with 22 years of hate festering thought. Here are some points I'd like to make.

1) Everyone should be treated with an equal deal of respect regardless of color, ethnicity, sexual orientation, income level, IQ, and what sports team they root for (yes, even White Sox fans).

2) Why are homophobes scared of getting hit on by a gay guy? I mean, I'd take it as a compliment. In my experience, gay guys usually have higher standards when it comes to appearance. If some guy offers to buy you a drink or something, you know you are doing something right.

3) I'd say the majority of homosexuals have more respect for people's feelings in general. They know what its like to be made fun of and stuff, so they are more respectful and sensitive about stuff.

4) Being gay is not immoral, evil, or against the bible as many Christians like to twist the teachings of Christianity to justify their hatred and bigotry. About 20 percent of animals in the wild are gay (i.e. will try to mate with members of the same sex rather than an opposite one, animals, other than dolphins and humans, don't have sex for pleasure), so homosexuality isn't against nature.

Feel free to add any more points.

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1) Everyone should be treated with an equal deal of respect regardless of color, ethnicity, sexual orientation, income level, IQ, and what sports team they root for (yes, even White Sox fans).


everyone is treated according to their income level.

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IMHO It tells us a lot more about the haters than the people they hate.

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3) I'd say the majority of homosexuals have more respect for people's feelings in general. They know what its like to be made fun of and stuff, so they are more respectful and sensitive about stuff.

4) Being gay is not immoral, evil, or against the bible as many Christians like to twist the teachings of Christianity to justify their hatred and bigotry. About 20 percent of animals in the wild are gay (i.e. will try to mate with members of the same sex rather than an opposite one, animals, other than dolphins and humans, don't have sex for pleasure), so homosexuality isn't against nature.





3) Religious point of view (jew, christian, muslim) Sodomy is forbidden. Man loving another guy, is not forbidden if there is no sex (I've seen no texts condemning the feeling of love between two men). Whatever Sex out of sacred union is forbidden and two men cannot marry.

4) Animals have incestuous sex too ... Males could fight to death for femals (not many races do it to death through).

4)

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Only about half of homosexual men engage in anal sex. And if you're against oral sex, you should focus more on heterosexuals than homosexuals.

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I would say that most of the men who fear homosexuals have never really got to know any. When they do they find out they are just humans like the rest of us, not sex-crazed perverts.

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I would say that most of the men who fear homosexuals have never really got to know any. When they do they find out they are just humans like the rest of us, not sex-crazed perverts.

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Bonobo chimps have sex for other reasons than procreation i.e. pleasure.

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I don't know if Oral sex is forbidden by religions of the Book.
I'll ask a priest about that.

I'm not aware about % of use of anal penetration between gay people as personnaly I don't care about what do people of their free time.

That some animals have homosexual relation-ship doen't prove that such sexuality is normal. Normality doesn't exist in nature, it's just an human point of view.

The real question is : "Is homosecuality acceptable in our modern society, or is homosexuality e threat ?".
My point of view is "no" (Edit : No, this is not a threat ! and yes it is acceptable !). I will not explain my point of view on that.

But to speak about your point 4), analogy with animal way of life is dangereous. By example : Animals don't care so much about incest. By your reasonment incest is a natural thing and human could have incestuous relation-ship. Of course, I'm not agree with that as I considere that prohibition of incest is a major brick of human social structure.

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There's also animals like some spiders where the females eat the males after sex. I sure hope that woun't be considered natural.

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An interesting thing I learned from getting to know them is that some gay guys dont like the really flamey queens. Ive heard several of them comment that they hate "fags". Also a few of them think that gay pride parades are stupid and give gays a bad image.

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Hummm ... These already the case. I don't count any more women who ate my heart and my wallet.

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There's also animals like some spiders where the females eat the males after sex. I sure hope that woun't be considered natural.


But if animals do it then it must be okay! Its only "natural" after all...

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An interesting thing I learned from getting to know them is that some gay guys dont like the really flamey queens. Ive heard several of them comment that they hate "fags". Also a few of them think that gay pride parades are stupid and give gays a bad image.


Maybe not a bad image, but surely a false one.
Not all gays like to half-nude dancing on techno rythms.

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Maybe not a bad image, but surely a false one.
Not all gays like to half-nude dancing on techno rythms.


I think that some floats in gay parades do give gays a bad image because the participants are intentionally trying to offend. I agree with my gay friends when they say "theres no need to act like perverts".

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The same things could be said for any group of people, Sava.
As to the why's; it usually occurs when a group sets themselves apart from the rest of mankind, be they Gay, Black Panther, KKK, or whatever. Fringe groups.
If all remember they belong to the Human Race first, no problems.

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A rabid homophobe. Be prepared a couple of years down the line for his teary 'coming out'

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The issue is that the bible says 'man should not lie with man as he would lie with woman'...of course they are going to say this, they were a bunch of misogynists back then. The bloke should get more respect in their eyes, not be just an object of procreation. It is amazing, when you look at it, things which are taken as fact can be interpreted in another way...

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A rabid homophobe. Be prepared a couple of years down the line for his teary 'coming out'




Who are you talking about?

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Did you read the first post Cali?

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"4) Being gay is not immoral, evil, or against the bible as many Christians like to twist the teachings of Christianity to justify their hatred and bigotry."

I am a religious Jew, and have NOTHING against homosexuals, no prejidust at all, but according to Judaism, and Christianity homosexuality is a sin. There is a part of the Torah where it lists all the forbidden sexual relations, and a line translated into english reads "And man shall not lie down with man, it is abomination"- so according to your religion it is wrong, though I dont personally have any problems with homosexuals.

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Did you read the first post Cali?


Uhhh...I skimmed over most of it...

I look forward to the teary coming out though.

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"4) Being gay is not immoral, evil, or against the bible as many Christians like to twist the teachings of Christianity to justify their hatred and bigotry."

I am a religious Jew, and have NOTHING against homosexuals, no prejidust at all, but according to Judaism, and Christianity homosexuality is a sin. There is a part of the Torah where it lists all the forbidden sexual relations, and a line translated into english reads "And man shall not lie down with man, it is abomination"- so according to your religion it is wrong, though I dont personally have any problems with homosexuals.


it is forbidden to sleep with women other than your wife too, I don't see such predjudice against single men as vs homosexuals.

It is all twisted.

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So Sava's points #3 and #4 are unjustified.

Point #3
Religion forbide homosexuality (with sexual relation) because :
1) sodomy is an abomination
2) sexual relation without sacred union is a lethal sin.

Point #4.
Animal behavior must not justify human behavior.

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Point #1 and point #2 are okay.

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it is forbidden to sleep with women other than your wife too, I don't see such predjudice against single men as vs homosexuals.

It is all twisted.


*I* have no problem at all with homosexuals, one of my friends since childhood is gay, I would just never do anything like that but I am not going to look down on those who do(its not by choice, its genetic- any who say otherwise are fundamentalist christian science yokels).

Edit: Judaism is much less up tight about sex in general compared to Christianity......pre-maritial sex between teenagers is unoficcialy encouraged, and sex outside of marriage is only forbidden IF YOUR MARRIED- sex outside of religion is considered distastfull by some Jews due to cultural diffusion from Christianity but it says nothing about it in the Torah(at least not that I can think of, and I've read it countless times).

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I myself am accepting... but the country I live in is certainly not. Argentina well, is highly homophobic.

Gay people have the right to make their own decisions in life as straight people do.

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About 20 percent of animals in the wild are gay (i.e. will try to mate with members of the same sex rather than an opposite one, animals, other than dolphins and humans, don't have sex for pleasure), so homosexuality isn't against nature.


However, I would like to see evidence for this statement you made Sava. I don't see any ground for it.

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Hey Fez, isnt it time for you to "come out" again?

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Hey Fez, isnt it time for you to "come out" again?


That is a rude statement. You will regret saying that. I won't discuss anything with you anymore. I am not gay but I respect those who are.

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That is a rude statement. You will regret saying that. I won't discuss anything with you anymore. I am not gay but I respect those who are.


You said you liked being teased about your sexuality.

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You said you liked being teased about your sexuality.


Forget this. NO I DON'T.

And do it all you like I am leaving on the 26th, which is this wednesday to Spain. I won't be abled to post.

 
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