24-06-2002 19:11									#1
	Do You Play Civ III ? Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Right, this is MP II forum.
Exactly where this thread needs to be, because I'm asking MP II people.

So do you? If you do, what do you think ?

	24-06-2002 19:16									#2
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i played it, beat it, haven't played it since they released some newer patches for it...didn't really care for it....back to civ2 MP now..and have been this way for a few months

	24-06-2002 19:22									#3
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Not since the original flurry. Got boring quick. Needs MP.

RAH

	24-06-2002 19:23									#4
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So far, I like 3 better than 2. It removes a lot of the things I disliked in 2 (e.g., diplos, caravans, city bribing, city triangulation, clicking in the black). What I've heard so far about MP sounds promising.

	24-06-2002 19:26									#5
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No... not in a while.

But then again, I don't really play Civ II SP either.

We will see if Civ III MP is more fun.

	24-06-2002 19:33									#6
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I think III has the potential to be excellent as MP, especially if you leave all options open; as in Cultural victory etc.

	24-06-2002 22:59									#7
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i played for about a month or so when it came out.. now i just use it for a coaster.. in short it sucks

	24-06-2002 23:24									#8
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I'm still waiting for it to come out as a budget title...just to complete my collection.


In the meantime I'm playing Civ2 scenarios and playtesting Freeciv

	25-06-2002 00:06									#9
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Nope.........still too expensive. I'll wait a few years and then perhaps I'll consider it. Firaxis ain't getting my money so easily.

	25-06-2002 00:31									#10
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MP is going to suck.. No only is the game horribly slow but its going to suffer from the same problem that affects most of these TBS games. The movement of superstacks. Band together 30 horses and move them on the same squares and your invincible.

	25-06-2002 01:01									#11
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You can do that now in MP, (using preworked settlers building fortresses along a river or road network) and while it is tough to stop, it's not invincible. Attack that mountain city defended by vet fortified pikemen, watch your horsemen dissappear. Granted in civIII, it's much more effective. (especially since you can't build on mountains.)
But I see your point.

RAH

	25-06-2002 01:08									#12
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quote: Originally posted by rah You can do that now in MP, (using preworked settlers building fortresses along a river or road network) and while it is tough to stop, it's not invincible. Attack that mountain city defended by vet fortified pikemen, watch your horsemen dissappear. Granted in civIII, it's much more effective. (especially since you can't build on mountains.) But I see your point. RAH

I saw the AI move a stack of 50 units... but now you can do it right from the get go.. The attacker has a huge advantage.. Then again only in civ3 and in civ 1 can you lose battleships and tanks to warrors

	25-06-2002 01:53									#13
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The joys of simplified combat.

Especially in Deity when the AI starts with a stack of warriors on turn 1.

	25-06-2002 02:29									#14
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I haven't even tried it....I'll wait also untill it's cheaper.....

	25-06-2002 02:51									#15
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No, I've played several times and have developed an intense dislike for it. It is boring. I hate not having diplos. It has some good elements but for the most part, it stinks.

Civ 2 forever.

	25-06-2002 03:16									#16
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I automate the cities with Governors, and automate the workers.
If you have people playing the game, it will be different than what you see in SP.

	25-06-2002 04:09									#17
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I played it about 3 times......hopefully it will become better with MP.

	25-06-2002 04:12									#18
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No

	25-06-2002 04:21									#19
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Played it a few times, and was too disgruntled to continue after losing Calvary to Hoplites in clear terrain, or Tanks to Musketeers.

And the Tank vs. Spearman myth/reality is a little too much for me to handle.

I'll try it in MP, but I think it will take too damn long. Imagine trying to work out a deal with someone in Simul. play! ARG!

	25-06-2002 04:57									#20
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did you ever play civ1..the classic battleship loses to phalnx

	25-06-2002 05:35									#21
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I played like 2 and a half games and decided it was crap and put it away.

	25-06-2002 05:47									#22
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i last played in early december and have no intention of playing it again, not even MP

	25-06-2002 06:24									#23
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I actually liked Civ 3 over Civ2. Mostly because Civ3 at least tries to be different from Civ2.

Civ 2 is just an updated Civ, IMHO.

However, I don't play Civ3 anymore, whereas, I will still play Civ2 on rare occasions.

	25-06-2002 08:05									#24
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that may be true....but civ2 update is far better than civ3 at this point....

civ3 failed in the same ways that the CTP series failed....gameplay completely changed and the new ideas while kewl, were not implemented in a way which was suitable for fun gameplay.....

	25-06-2002 08:08									#25
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quote: Originally posted by War4ever that may be true....but civ2 update is far better than civ3 at this point.... civ3 failed in the same ways that the CTP series failed....gameplay completely changed and the new ideas while kewl, were not implemented in a way which was suitable for fun gameplay.....

I got pissed off when my panzers where dieing on archers, and i'd move in 11 units in a city and poof next turn the city belonged to the other guy.

warcraft 3 rocks though... I have been playing that every now and then.

	25-06-2002 08:13									#26
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quote: Originally posted by War4ever that may be true....but civ2 update is far better than civ3 at this point....

True, but how long did it take Civ2 to reach that point?

If Civ3 still isn't as good as Civ2 when all is said and done, I'll agree with you.

But, there are still things being done to 3, so I'll take a "wait and see" approach.

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	25-06-2002 10:03									#27
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Well i tried to get into civ 3 but playing the ai is just plain boring no matter how improved they claim the ai are

	25-06-2002 10:47									#28
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From what is being discussed about Civ III MP... it might have potential. Victory conditions like capture the flag and many different game options may give us the game we are looking for. But until we play it, I won't hold my breath.

Keep on Civin'... Civ II MP I mean

	25-06-2002 13:37									#29
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i once played it, but the only good thing was the graphic

	25-06-2002 13:41									#30
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It just didn't have the one more turn feel.