10-07-2002 23:44									#31
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Oh, we are not all caught up in rules...

	11-07-2002 13:20									#32
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I started to post links to our War Academy discussion threads in chronoligical order in the first post of this thread. I will try to keep track and add new threads myself. Should I, due to time pressure at work, forget to link one of your threads, please remember me here in our "home thread", because I check this thread often, to include new members. A link to this thread is in my signature, for your convenience.

	12-07-2002 21:35									#33
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Enlist me in your ranks

	12-07-2002 21:41									#34
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Welcome aboard, Micaelus! Always nice to get new ideas and fresh perspectives!

	13-07-2002 22:06									#35
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count me in. I think this is a tremendous idea. I think right now the war academy is important, but I think once we get into the modern age it should have maybe hundreds of pre-planned scenarios (like in real life goverments) and will be extremely helpful to the pres in the time of war. I think this because usually for me in the ancient and middle ages I rely on brute force in war, but once I get into the late industrial age strategy is much, much more complex and important.

	13-07-2002 22:31									#36
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This sounds like a good idea.
Mayest I join?

	13-07-2002 22:33									#37
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quote: started to post links to our War Academy discussion threads in chronoligical order in the first post of this thread

That's an amazing effort. I commend you.
(Hopefully reading them will help my CivII game tactics as well!)

	15-07-2002 02:09									#38
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I would like to join as well, though I fear I will not have much time to participate.

	15-07-2002 04:54									#39
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oh wow, i never *OFFICIALLY* signed up! silly me! add me to the list ralph

	15-07-2002 05:31									#40
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Do we have to sign up *officially* here? Hmmm...

Well, my philosophic drinking mate here wanna join... He's a clever Chinese boy. An honoured member of the Thinkers Guild and the subguild of Drunken Philosophers. He likes warfare, but listen to the genius now! He's got something to tell us:

quote: "The consummation of forming an army is to arrive at formlessness. When you have no form, spies cannot find anything out and the enemy cannot produce a strategy." — Sun Tzu, The Art of War

Well, he's a good teacher. I think you will love him.....

	15-07-2002 07:40									#41
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Greetings from the LOE! (Lord of Evil)

I would be honoured if thou wouldst accept my most humble and evil person into the ranks of the mighty War Academy.

I wouldn't mind if you didn't mock me for trying to sound noble too

What I feel I can add to TWA:

General strategic ideas with little merit intended mainly to promote free thinking, long term strategy, and ways to get out of situations which are REALLY bad.

Please, accept me into your ranks. You will not regret it.

	17-07-2002 12:16									#42
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I would like to join the War Acadamy. And finaly have a place to discuss strategy.

	20-07-2002 03:00									#43
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I would also like to sign up, I have kept up with most of the threads and it seems stupid not to join!! Count me in!!

	22-07-2002 22:37									#44
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I will join as well.

	25-07-2002 16:36									#45
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I would like to join please.

	26-07-2002 23:55									#46
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Sir Ralph,

Can you add this old warhorse to the staff as well, please.

D.

	30-07-2002 02:00									#47
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It seems that some citizen, including me, have not a readily access to maps ; even a member opened a thread to regroup maps, and only maps, and although a few interesting maps were submitted, they are now mixed with posts, etc.

So, I suggest that the War Academy takes steps to make available to all interested an updated set of maps of military interest.

	01-08-2002 07:39									#48
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If it's not too late, I'd like to join...

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	01-08-2002 09:42									#49
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its never too late.

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	05-08-2002 11:44									#50
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The greatest interest of the War Academy and the Machiavelli Institute is to discuss military problems for one, and diplomatic issues for the other, without any liabilities to general politic. In mixing the two approachs in some threads, I am not sure that we make the analysis easier and clearer.
The case of a thread headed the War Academy associated with a minister is still worse, of course, since it endangered the independance of the Academy.

Any opinion ?

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	05-08-2002 16:01									#51
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	05-08-2002 16:50									#52
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Welcome, Shiber.

quote: Originally posted by DAVOUT The greatest interest of the War Academy and the Machiavelli Institute is to discuss military problems for one, and diplomatic issues for the other, without any liabilities to general politic. In mixing the two approachs in some threads, I am not sure that we make the analysis easier and clearer. The case of a thread headed the War Academy associeted with a minister is still worth, of course, since it endangered the independance of the Academy. Any opinion ?

I include such threads written for two institutes in the thread library and set the other institute as a remark. I know, that in some matters political/diplomatic and military problems can't be separated. Since Clausewitz we know that the latter is the continuation of the former by other means. As long as it goes not entirely off topic, I think we can tolerate this.

Sometimes I see War academy threads being started, just to show some own contribution, although there are existing threads with a very similar topic. This I don't appreciate much. First, it blows up the thread library and leads to confusions. Second, it makes it harder to respond to them, because often I could answer to 3 questions in 3 threads with one single post.

So for instance, if there is a thread "Strategies for the upcoming French campaign", it is pointless to open a thread "Should we use galleys against France", "The way to approach for our troops" or "When shall we declare war on France", because the latter 3 threads are subtopics for the former and thus are just spam. Note, that I'm not talking about existing threads; the mentioned threads are hypothetical and are meant just for demonstration purposes. You get the point.

About the Academy losing independence because it's led by a minister: That is just a temporary issue. I won't run for an office anymore and will always remain independent. Since I was elected in the government, I was quite inactive, did not open a single War academy thread and only occasionally responded to others. I don't think that I cause the academy to be under governmental influence.

	05-08-2002 17:43									#53
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Sir Ralph,

Thank you for your comments.

I suggest the 3rd § be inserted in your top thread as guidelines for opening threads under the War Academy heading. It will help new comers, and possibly old ones !

I was not refering to you, since you have not personnally opened bi-headed War Academy threads, but to Road to France (Dpt. of Public Works. - Nothing personnal of course, it is a matter of principle).

As for the Clausewitz explanation, I am not sure it applies ; it answers the question why do we wage war, not how. IMHO, on subjects such as Contingencies Plans or Defensive case N/W, the Machiavelli Institute should provide the War Academy with the most probable diplomatic picture(s), and from that the War Academy would analyse the military consequences.

	05-08-2002 17:44									#54
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Yes, I see your point here. No problem.

	05-08-2002 17:48									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Shiber I'd like to join.

hi ,

welcome Shiber

Sir Ralph , great job on the updates and other info

have a nice day

	05-08-2002 18:36									#56
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I agree with Sir Ralph on the issue of cross-indexing threads as both War Academy and Machiavelli Institute. In some cases, the two spheres overlap, and there's not much harm, IMO, in inviting both communities/perspectives in on debate in those cases. Not much harm, and probably a great deal of good, in some cases. I certainly did not intend the Institute to encroach on the Academy's territory.

I suggested the creation of a seperate institution mainly because I was so impressed with the precision and thoughtfulness military planning took on as itcame under the umbrella of an "Academy" -- and because it seemed to me that there would be occasions and opportunities to discuss foreign affairs and/or diplomacy in contexts other than war with the same precision and thoughtfulness. War, as Clausewitz tells us, is an exercise of foreign policy, though only one kind of action, among many others.

And, for what it's worth, I have no problem with Sir Ralph serving in our government. I cannot see how it impaired the Academy's effectiveness, and hope it did not in any way inhibit Sir Ralph's participation in this forum.

[edit: added to clarify:] I also hope he feels free to hold office again in the future if he wants to. His expertise is invaluable to us.

	05-08-2002 18:49									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Robber Baron And, for what it's worth, I have no problem with Sir Ralph serving in our government. I cannot see how it impaired the Academy's effectiveness, and hope it did not in any way inhibit Sir Ralph's participation in this forum. [edit: added to clarify:] I also hope he feels free to hold office again in the future if he wants to. His expertise is invaluable to us.

I have no problem either, all the more, as I said above :
I was not refering to you, since you have not personnally opened bi-headed War Academy threads, but to Road to France (Dpt. of Public Works. - Nothing personnal of course, it is a matter of principle).

	06-08-2002 00:29									#58
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	06-08-2002 02:12									#59
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quote: Originally posted by DAVOUT Sir Ralph, Thank you for your comments. I suggest the 3rd § be inserted in your top thread as guidelines for opening threads under the War Academy heading. It will help new comers, and possibly old ones ! I was not refering to you, since you have not personnally opened bi-headed War Academy threads, but to Road to France (Dpt. of Public Works. - Nothing personnal of course, it is a matter of principle). As for the Clausewitz explanation, I am not sure it applies ; it answers the question why do we wage war, not how. IMHO, on subjects such as Contingencies Plans or Defensive case N/W, the Machiavelli Institute should provide the War Academy with the most probable diplomatic picture(s), and from that the War Academy would analyse the military consequences.

I understand what you mean about some things not being combined, but think that others should be... I think that all military plans should also have a diplomatic analysis thread, and it seems easier to combine them into one thread at times.

For example, "Defensive Case N/W" -- I started that thread, and I opted for having one thread for both War plans and diplomatic options; I thought of making two threads on the subject, but didn't want to overrun people with threads on the topic (if nothing else, taking up valuable front-page space) . Perhaps the leaders of the War academy and the Machiavelli Institute could deside what the best way to handle situations like that?

-- adaMada

	06-08-2002 03:45									#60
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My bad, I didn't sign up either. I want to join.

Just don't try to take my weapons......