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Originally posted by markusf
Thats a great accomplishment, a M1 beat some WW2 tanks with half the range.
Tank competitions are held to determine the worlds best tanks, so that countries with billions to spend in defence can determine what tanks they want to buy. |
The T-72 enter service in 1973, The T-80 in 1985. The Gulf War was in Jan. (Air) and Feb. (Ground) 1991. The U.S. used two tanks for this war. The M-60A1/3 enter service 1962 and the M-1 which enter service 1980. Look like the T-80 is a newer Tank.
Tank competitions is OK, but until the tank is used a shooting war, no one really know how it will do.
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Originally posted by panag
hi ,
nope at least two where lost in a battle , one bacause of a t80u and a second thanks to a group of some t72's , ...
the first one was fixed and is on the road again , ....
have a nice day |
Not according the First Sarg. that I talked to last year at the Travis Air Force Base Airshow with his M-1 at the show. He was in the Gulf War, and said one to friendly fire and two to mechanic problems. One of them could have been a land mine.
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Originally posted by joseph1944
The T-72 enter service in 1973, The T-80 in 1985. The Gulf War was in Jan. (Air) and Feb. (Ground) 1991. The U.S. used two tanks for this war. The M-60A1/3 enter service 1962 and the M-1 which enter service 1980. Look like the T-80 is a newer Tank.
Tank competitions is OK, but until the tank is used a shooting war, no one really know how it will do. |
Why don't you read up before posting.
http://www.leyden.com/gulfwar/m1.html
Iraq was just being stupid, why on earth would you use all your tanks as artillery? Your just begging for them to be blown up.
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In the end, 18 allied tanks were taken out of service due to battle damage, 9 due to friendly fire which were permanent losses. 9 others were mostly from mines and considered repaiarable
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panag
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MY WORDS ARE BACKED WITH BIO-CHEMICAL WEAPONS
Oct 2000
time: 07:20
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Originally posted by joseph1944
Not according the First Sarg. that I talked to last year at the Travis Air Force Base Airshow with his M-1 at the show. He was in the Gulf War, and said one to friendly fire and two to mechanic problems. One of them could have been a land mine. |
hi ,
okay , some checking , translations and so on , at least 4 M1's , 2 out of order for allways , the other two , fixed and back in action , ....
a search on www.fas.org revrealed somethings , but not all , ...
now mines , the mil representative talked about a 12 of those , only 4 where to be filed as a complete loss , ...
Saint & 1944 , it seems that the US has a strange way of filling these type of reports , if a tank is completely fixed , its removed from statistics , ....odd , ...
they lost 2 in Somalia , one left standing there , when the pics are found , you can see it here , ....!
as for the reports , the problem is also with the numbers , meaning USMC and USA , reserves and so on , ...however its intresting to use the numbers of the pentagon , however that site is closed after 9/11 , ...
2 Challengers where lost , total loss , one from an old t66 , the other from friendly fire , ....
there is some stuff about the balkans two , ...
BTW , its very easy to get a challenger , the protection in the front , from top to bottem , tight in the middle , is very low , ....
intresting to see is the loss of an Indian Shir in 1991 , listed as total loss , "overseas" , .....maybe gulfwar , ...
have a nice day
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panag
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MY WORDS ARE BACKED WITH BIO-CHEMICAL WEAPONS
Oct 2000
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Originally posted by Saint Marcus
I believe all British Challengers have been upgraded to the Challenger 2. The tank with the tickest armor in the world. |
hi ,
nope on the first , and nope on the second
the 420 from the typ 1 are a lond way from getting to number 2
the no 2 is just getting finished , total numbers ;
386 , +22 for driving school  , and 9 prototypes
the challenger is easy to get , if you know where its soft points are , .........
30cm both ways of the main gun , very thin on the tower there , ...
then the lower front , again thin , ....
have a nice day
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Originally posted by panag
hi ,
okay , some checking , translations and so on , at least 4 M1's , 2 out of order for allways , the other two , fixed and back in action , ....
a search on www.fas.org revrealed somethings , but not all , ...
now mines , the mil representative talked about a 12 of those , only 4 where to be filed as a complete loss , ...
Saint & 1944 , it seems that the US has a strange way of filling these type of reports , if a tank is completely fixed , its removed from statistics , ....odd , ...
they lost 2 in Somalia , one left standing there , when the pics are found , you can see it here , ....!
as for the reports , the problem is also with the numbers , meaning USMC and USA , reserves and so on , ...however its intresting to use the numbers of the pentagon , however that site is closed after 9/11 , ...
2 Challengers where lost , total loss , one from an old t66 , the other from friendly fire , ....
there is some stuff about the balkans two , ...
BTW , its very easy to get a challenger , the protection in the front , from top to bottem , tight in the middle , is very low , ....
intresting to see is the loss of an Indian Shir in 1991 , listed as total loss , "overseas" , .....maybe gulfwar , ...
have a nice day |
I will agree with your statement about how we consider loss or back to full duty.
Take the USS Cole. It is now on sea trial to be retured to full duty. So it will not be listed as damage anymore. One day history will only say it received minor damage and was repaired and return to full duty. Of course we of today will know that it came very close to sinking and was it 19 people that loss their lives. The Navy does not like to talk about loss of live. It is suppose to make the ship a bad place to be on.
A young new sailor that came aboard my ship just a few weeks before I took a week of leave to get married, died while cleaning some electorial gear. They told me about it when I came back and that was it, no more talking about him or why he died.
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panag
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MY WORDS ARE BACKED WITH BIO-CHEMICAL WEAPONS
Oct 2000
time: 07:20
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Originally posted by joseph1944
I will agree with your statement about how we consider loss or back to full duty.
Take the USS Cole. It is now on sea trial to be retured to full duty. So it will not be listed as damage anymore. One day history will only say it received minor damage and was repaired and return to full duty. Of course we of today will know that it came very close to sinking and was it 19 people that loss their lives. The Navy does not like to talk about loss of live. It is suppose to make the ship a bad place to be on.
A young new sailor that came aboard my ship just a few weeks before I took a week of leave to get married, died while cleaning some electorial gear. They told me about it when I came back and that was it, no more talking about him or why he died. |
hi ,
yep , did they tell you at least how he died , and how to prevent the accident next time , when you might be there , ....
a group of us saw the same on the Inchon , brrrrr sad man , at least they explained how it happend , and did not use that gear untill it was fixed
have a nice day
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30-06-2002 22:07
, actually some where lost in the gulf war , ...
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