26-06-2002 03:27									#1
	War Academy:Plans for War with France and/or America Got spare money?

Now that we know who our neighbors are the AWA can create war options for war with either France or America, or France and America. One before the other, or at the same time. What should we do any of the possible scenarios? Let the planing begin.

	26-06-2002 03:32									#2
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I suggest we wait until France is vassalized until we attack America (if we ever attack them). By then, we'll have a military infrastructure and a veteran army (with some elite Archers, doubtless), and can take them on.

In the meantime, see if we can get techs from them at reasonable prices. (Their current going rate for Pottery is not what I'd call reasonable, especially in our current financial situation.)

	26-06-2002 03:35									#3
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One war at a time. Lets take France out, then move on the United States.

	26-06-2002 03:37									#4
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Case Pink is largely a production plan for war at the earliest point with minimal forces sufficient for a focused, knock out strike.

With such a force, it should be hoped that the major fighting is finished in 4 to 6 turns. After which time we should be sitting in someone's capitol and have captured or autorazed their second city. Accepting their surrender yielding us tech and an additional city would be the goal by D + 10.

It is applicable to any of our neighbours, preferably the closest geographically. Operational tactics are largely for Uber and Trip to decide at the moment and for us to discuss in general.

	26-06-2002 03:56									#5
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Case Pink is largely a production plan for war at the earliest point with minimal forces sufficient for a focused, knock out strike. With such a force, it should be hoped that the major fighting is finished in 4 to 6 turns. After which time we should be sitting in someone's capitol and have captured or autorazed their second city. Accepting their surrender yielding us tech and an additional city would be the goal by D + 10. It is applicable to any of our neighbours, preferably the closest geographically. Operational tactics are largely for Uber and Trip to decide at the moment and for us to discuss in general.

hi ,

, yes that would be the best , ...
however , what if they join forces , ....
maybe we can provoke a war between those two , and then get them , when they are weak , ....
or we could use one , to fight a war for us , and when the war is over , turn on one , ....

have a nice day

	26-06-2002 04:02									#6
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Unlikely. They're both quite a ways apart, and are unlikely to have contacted each other already. It's even more unlikely that they'll join forces.

If you're talking about a formal military alliance, we need Writing and an embassy before we can suggest to one to declare war upon the other.

Still, if we can coerce them to fight each other while staying out of the way, it might make our job easier. Then again, there's the possibility that one wins a big victory, which will make them that much stronger when we invade them.

	26-06-2002 12:26									#7
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I say for now we continue our preparations for Case Pink while exploring some more to learn as much as possible about our surroundings. In a few more turns, we'll know more and then we can start discussing operational details.

For now we just need to prepare, which we're already doing.

	26-06-2002 13:09									#8
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I would suggest to go on with Case Pink, until we built the strike force. Then we should decide (after knowing the map better) whom we attack first. The strike will be short, calculated losses are about 50% (3 archers). So we need to build 3 new archers and 2 spearmen (they'll be used up as garrison) to fill up our task force again. We can do this in about 10 turns. The war against the 2nd civ should begin no later than 1000BC and have the same goals as the 1st.

	26-06-2002 13:41									#9
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I concur. Given our terrible start position and the fact that we're almost completely bottled up in the Notylopa Jungle, we need to secure an early dominance over both our neighbors in order to successfully unbottle ourselves and get room to grow.

	26-06-2002 16:59									#10
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Given the fact that we do not have the best of all starting positions and therefore not any lead, if any, over out neighbours. It would be foolish to begin a war with two of our neighbours at the same time. Let us not forget that one of the reasons that Bismarck unified Germany was that he avoided the two-front war at all costs. A lessons that Hitler did not take to his heart.

	26-06-2002 18:40									#11
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I agree, attacking both would be foolish, and I agree with Sir Ralph, that we require a credible fighting force before embarking. Let us see then who to attack. Once we have defeated our first enemy, we can review the fighting force, and set off to finish the job.

	26-06-2002 18:46									#12
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quote: Originally posted by The Viceroy I agree, attacking both would be foolish, and I agree with Sir Ralph, that we require a credible fighting force before embarking. Let us see then who to attack. Once we have defeated our first enemy, we can review the fighting force, and set off to finish the job.

I also agree. (Didn't you read my post?)

I said a agree with Sir Ralph, meaning first one, then the other, not both at the same time!

	26-06-2002 18:54									#13
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Sorry Guardian, guilty as charged .. I flicked through and Sir Ralphs message caught my eye first .. I then read your subsequent posts .. So, Im actually agreeing with the person who was agreeing with you

	26-06-2002 19:03									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Vlad Antlerkov Unlikely. They're both quite a ways apart, and are unlikely to have contacted each other already. It's even more unlikely that they'll join forces.

I wouldn't be surprised if they have contact: America is expansionistic.

	26-06-2002 19:41									#15
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they'll have contact before case pink is anywhere near being complete, that's for sure

	26-06-2002 20:23									#16
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We don't know enough to justify making any changes.

	26-06-2002 23:46									#17
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quote: Originally posted by skywalker We don't know enough to justify making any changes.

hi ,

that is true , but when we think of it , we can predict most of their moves , and the outcome , ...

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