30-06-2002 23:33									#1
	citizen census week 27 Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

This poll is the citizen census for week 27.
The results will be used to determine the number of active citizens over time.

Please participate in the poll, as the results will give us and idea of how "representing" the other polls are.

There are 2 groups of options: Yes and No. Both groups have 3 options.

This poll is official and up for 6 days, till Saturday.

Comments on the census are welcome and citizens as well as non-citizens who dont participate are encouraged to comment in here why not. Maybe we can then improove things to make them participate.

Last edited by disorganizer on 01-07-2002 at 00:00

	01-07-2002 00:07									#2
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*bollocks*

	01-07-2002 00:09									#3
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Thank you disorganizer. And the mod that stickied this as well.

	01-07-2002 01:09									#4
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how qualified the comments in here are...

	01-07-2002 02:32									#5
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I don't see the point of this as people who don't post or vote probably won't do so here either.

	01-07-2002 02:45									#6
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i have different experience from my "other life" (yes, im suffering from a split personality). If we get some "lost citizens" to post their reasons for leaving in here, for example, then maybe we can improove things.
And it does not look right if we have 3 yes and only 1 no option (or no no-option).
The main point is to count the Yes-votes (especially those who also vote) for statstical and organizational purposes.

	01-07-2002 03:42									#7
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* MrWhereItsAt wonders what the point of the Abstain option is.

You vote to count (for numbers), yet abstaining tells us nohing.

	01-07-2002 03:48									#8
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why would anyone abstain?

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What's the point of this?

	01-07-2002 08:54									#10
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problem with this consensus idea is that anyone who doesnt vote wont come here to vote to say they dont vote. Thusly, the consensus COULD be simplified by simply starting a thread, and saying "post a reply if your still active, and say how you are active".. and then put a little poll at the top with "Active with both""active with posts""active with polls""active but only watching."

But giving so many options for NON-actives is detrimental to the results ya want. And you dont find out who is innactive.

	01-07-2002 11:59									#11
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Well, they dont hurt.

	01-07-2002 12:10									#12
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No they don't. Just won't be used much.

	01-07-2002 13:31									#13
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i know. but if we get some to respond, they will be useful. nevertheless, if no other pros here i will just post a "No, i dont" in the next poll.
The statistics wont be hurt by this, as it will just be a "total yes, vote, poll" line for each week.

	01-07-2002 13:32									#14
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i also think almost nobody will only post in the threads. these options were just included to complete the possible options.

	01-07-2002 15:24									#15
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i usually just poll. can't explain why i don't post more often, i just don't.

	01-07-2002 21:11									#16
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The point is to find out how many active members there are here.

	01-07-2002 22:23									#17
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I'm away from home and ave a lot less time to be here and surf the web, so that means that I'll have to kep a low profie. Have to leave the computer in two minutes now.

	02-07-2002 01:06									#18
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hi ,

only 56 people voted here , yet we have 200 citizens , ...

where is the catch , ......

have a nice day

	02-07-2002 02:23									#19
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well its 61 now and growing. poll is only up for 1 day till now, it will stay up till saturday. but dont expect a participation of more than 50%, as our recent polls show.

	02-07-2002 16:05									#20
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Well...I'm around, though I only do polls at the moment, but I hope I'll soon come back to do some more posting again

	02-07-2002 19:37									#21
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As previous posts by me have shown. I am clearly a member of the Apolytonian proletariat (and not the industrious/follow-the-party-line type, neither)
I don't use the site often enough to be part of a party - I would like to see the current polls clearly visible and a summary of each stage of progress (After each turn-chat?) in an obvious place - possibly with access to an archive of information. Polls and threads of this nature merely serve as quicksand to the messengers of our empire and yes - even now I wonder why I am playing my part by posting a response.. (maybe the word 'bollocks' wasn't exactly helpful, or explanit-ory enough)

	02-07-2002 21:14									#22
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Week 27?! It's been that long?

	02-07-2002 23:41									#23
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quote: Originally posted by skywalker Week 27?! It's been that long?

hi ,

nope , its just week no 27 of the year , ...

have a nice day

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quote: Originally posted by disorganizer well its 61 now and growing. poll is only up for 1 day till now, it will stay up till saturday. but dont expect a participation of more than 50%, as our recent polls show.

thatīs pretty sad really... where did everyone go ?

	03-07-2002 04:07									#25
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1. this is probably considered a spam thread.

2. Why exactly would anyone vote for a useless poll (the reason I say this is that they can better show their activities by voting on the "REAL" polls At least that's what I would do

3. This thread is a good idea at frist glance, but at second, a reasonable count can be had by looking at the real polls and the number of votes they receive

	03-07-2002 13:39									#26
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as
a) no abstain option is in the real polls
b) many poll are not found by ppl in time before expiration cause of non-toppedness
c) its hard to go thru all the polls

this will not be representative. as this is a sticky poll there every week, citizens can rely on it being there. and 1 more vote (even if senseless in the mind of one compared to 78) per week really does not hurt.


to your 1st point: when would a spam-thread be topped? how come the votecount reflects the other votes counts?

	03-07-2002 13:46									#27
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btw: if this poll is desidered spam, why does this poll have a higher participation than most other polls?

	03-07-2002 16:46									#28
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quote: Originally posted by disorganizer btw: if this poll is desidered spam, why does this poll have a higher participation than most other polls?

good point, but i donīt think that everybody considers this poll as spam anyway, I for one think itīs a great idea...

	03-07-2002 19:03									#29
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this poll also shows us which polls are uninteresting for citizenry.
example:
here, we have 79 votes. if a poll only gets 10 votes, is the option chosen really representing the will of citizenry? or was something else wrong with the poll (like online too short, wrong options, abstain missing etc.)? or did the citizens just not care about it?

	06-07-2002 13:20									#30
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My modem's been dodgy... bah, technology sucks :P