01-07-2002 12:18									#31
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Noah's Ark, my arse.

The guy who first claimed it is a well known Australian religious crank with no archeological or geological qualifications.

Its just an unusual volcanic rock formation.

	01-07-2002 12:25									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Also, there is a large man buried on Mars, here is his face:

YOu know whats strange about these first pictures. Is the correlation with the whole Pyramids, Statue, Ancient riverbed and City. I think the area was called "Cydonia" and generally was accept by conspiracy theorists to be an Ancient Martian City. They put out a really good arguement for it, I was believing it for awhile. Until NASA flew by again in 1998, but then again. Just because they were taken from closer and at angle, does that really prove anything? I mean, if you took a slow sideways shot of the pyramids or sphinx, it kinda looks like a rock pile too.

	01-07-2002 12:29									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Cloud9 I saw this on TV the other day

Oh well it must be true then

	01-07-2002 14:34									#34
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quote: I saw this on TV the other day

I saw this on TV 3 years ago (something like a 30 year old documentary). The narrator tryed to convince us it was really Noah's Ark because of all the evidence, pictures etc. Bull. he convinced my father but not me.

	01-07-2002 18:27									#35
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This hoax was debunked years ago.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/ark-hoax/jammal.html

	01-07-2002 22:32									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse Noah's Ark, my arse. The guy who first claimed it is a well known Australian religious crank with no archeological or geological qualifications. Its just an unusual volcanic rock formation.

Then how do you explain the rivet that was found?

	01-07-2002 22:34									#37
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory Im saying the arrarat formation looks like the Bismark is up there, not the ark.

What's the Bismark?

	01-07-2002 22:36									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov This hoax was debunked years ago. http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/ark-hoax/jammal.html

Well, if you refuse to believe this one, then have even looked at the stories of other Biblical artifacts found on the website?

	01-07-2002 22:40									#39
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The Bismarck was the largest battleship in the German fleet, and the pride of the German Navy. And undeniably the best Battleship of the day. Newly commissioned on August 24, 1940, she subsequently sailed to port in Gotenhafen (now Gdynia) in occupied Poland. On May 19, 1941, after finish work and sea trails, she* left Gdynia, accompanied by the Prinz Eugen, for Operation Rhine. Her mission was to attack British shipping, mainly convoys between Halifax and the British Isles. The British were aware of this new titan of the seas and she was spotted by an RAF Coastal Command Spitfire, just two days out of port on her maiden voyage.

The British dispatched HMS Hood and the Prince of Wales to intercept her. They caught up with the Bismarck on May 24, and in the ensuing battle, the Hood, the symbol of British sea power, was blown apart by a single 15 inch shell from Bismarck which penetrated her thin deck armor-plating and hit the ship's ammunition magazine. The Hood sunk immediately, with only three survivors out of the ship's complement of 1,418. The loss of the Hood shocked England and Churchill gave orders to "Sink the Bismarck!"

HMS Rodney was en route to Halifax, escorting the troop ship Britanic. From there the ageing battleship was to continue on to Boston for a long overdue refit. Commanding Rodney was Captain Frederick Hew George Dalrymple-Hamilton, grandson of the 10th Earl of Stair. Rodney was just a day out of Scotland and had a chance of intercepting Bismarck. There were four destroyers in the flotilla and one was left with Britannic. The other three left with Rodney and the hunt for the Bismarck was on!

The elusive Bismarck was difficult to find, but luck was on the side of the British. An ancient Swordfish biplane, launched from the aircraft carrier Ark Royal, put a single torpedo into the aft end of the Bismarck, crippling her steering mechanism. The Bismarck was trying to make port at Brest, France but now her progress was fatally slowed. On May 27, Rodney, now accompanied by the battleship King George V, caught up with the Bismarck and the battle was on.

Rodney was the first to draw blood, lofting a 16 inch shell between Bismarck's two forward gun turrets, knocking out four of her eight 15 inch heavy guns. The battle raged on, and after shelling from Rodney, King George V and the Norfolk, which had joined the battle, the Bismarck's fate was sealed. Her guns ceased to fire after the hour-and-a-half battle, but she would not sink, though the British had probably put 400 rounds in her. The Germans, knowing their demise was imminent, set off explosive charges to scuttle the ship. At 10:39 the Bismarck went to the bottom, sinking in three miles of water.

	01-07-2002 22:44									#40
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It seems strange the Bismark could end up hundreds of miles inland, don't you think. And carbon dating can prove that it's not the Bismark; as a matter of fact, it already has. Look for more information on the site.

	01-07-2002 22:45									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Cloud9 It seems strange the Bismark could end up hundreds of miles inland, don't you think. And carbon dating can prove that it's not the Bismark; as a matter of fact, it already has. Look for more information on the site.

Best. Post. EVER.

	01-07-2002 22:49									#42
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lol i was kidding man.. I saw the site, its interesting.

The Bismark was found, but the location not disclosed because they afraid grave-robbers would steal some of the artifacts. So only about 30 Americans and British Sailors know where the Bismark really is.

	01-07-2002 22:51									#43
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory lol i was kidding man.. I saw the site, its interesting.

	01-07-2002 22:55									#44
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I think Noah's ark was really a UFO. I mean, why would they take 2 of every animal and then "sail off"? Sounds fishy to me...perhaps to experiment?

	01-07-2002 22:59									#45
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory I think Noah's ark was really a UFO. I mean, why would they take 2 of every animal and then "sail off"? Sounds fishy to me...perhaps to experiment?

All UFO's are government cover-ups!

Why? Because God told them to do it!

'Nuff said.

	01-07-2002 23:00									#46
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory I think Noah's ark was really a UFO. I mean, why would they take 2 of every animal and then "sail off"? Sounds fishy to me...perhaps to experiment?

You sound like a Scientologist.

	01-07-2002 23:04									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Cloud9 Well, if you refuse to believe this one, then have even looked at the stories of other Biblical artifacts found on the website?

If the site is so full of lies and misinformation on this one subject, why should I bother believing anything else it has to say? You'd get more reliable information from the Weekly World News, my friend.

	01-07-2002 23:10									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov If the site is so full of lies and misinformation on this one subject, why should I bother believing anything else it has to say?

I could easily say the same of your site. Two words: Look Deeper.

	01-07-2002 23:12									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Cloud9 I could easily say the same of your site. Two words: Look Deeper.

There's nothing deeper to look at on your site. Just claiming something is deep doesn't make it so.

Care to point out any factual mistatements on the talkorigins site?

	01-07-2002 23:13									#50
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You're not looking deeper, Cloud9, you're looking to the side. It frequently happens when religious people point to biblical evidence.

Hey, this rock formation looks like a boat, therefore it is Noah's Ark. Who cares that it's been disproven? LOOK DEEPER! IT IS NOAH'S ARK!

"Look into my eyes, it is Noah's Ark! Look into my eyes!"

	01-07-2002 23:16									#51
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@ Asher

	01-07-2002 23:17									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov There's nothing deeper to look at on your site. Just claiming something is deep doesn't make it so.

Perhaps I should reprhase that: Do further research.

	01-07-2002 23:20									#53
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More research for Cloud9:

http://skepdic.com/noahsark.html
http://www.langston.com/Fun_People/1993/1993ALN.html

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quote: The man who said he discovered the snow-covered location of Noah's Ark high on Mt. Ararat in Turkey, and who displayed what he claimed to be an ancient piece of wood from inside the ark as proof on a CBS special earlier this year, now says it was a hoax. George Jammal, an out-of-work Israeli actor living in North Long Beach, admitted in an interview this week that he made up the story to expose those who produce and broadcast what he considers to be poorly researched religious propaganda.

	01-07-2002 23:21									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Cloud9 Perhaps I should reprhase that: Do further research.

Find me a scientifically credible source that has tested this and proven it is the Ark, then I will look into it.

But I guarantee you ca-an't...

	01-07-2002 23:25									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Find me a scientifically credible source that has tested this and proven it is the Ark, then I will look into it. But I guarantee you ca-an't...

Done. But I will also do research on the other artifacts, too.

	01-07-2002 23:27									#56
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I find it hard to believe he'll find anything, considering Jammal himself admitted it was a hoax.

	01-07-2002 23:32									#57
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Cloud9, this is a hoax. It's been proven it's a hoax. The guy behind it admitted it was a hoax. Why would you embarrass yourself further by continuing to believe it?

	01-07-2002 23:38									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Cloud9, this is a hoax. It's been proven it's a hoax. The guy behind it admitted it was a hoax. Why would you embarrass yourself further by continuing to believe it?

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/ark-hoax/jammal.html

Ah, but I discovered a flaw in your research. The site you linked to is talking about the discovery of Noah's Ark on Mt. Ararat, when in fact the discovery I'm referring to was not found on on Mt. Ararat, but miles south of it. Even the Bible says, "the ark rested upon the mountains of Ararat (notice the plural)." Sounds like you've got the wrong story.

	01-07-2002 23:40									#59
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So suddenly there's two sites now?

There's still only one site in question.

This is nothing but pure semantics. You seem to think that unless the boat is at the summit of the mountain it's not on the mountain?

The site is 12 miles from the summit, according to your site, and still on the mountain.

	01-07-2002 23:43									#60
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Desperation to attain rationality for one's religious beliefs is an ugly thing...