01-07-2002 23:45									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Desperation to attain rationality for one's religious beliefs is an ugly thing...

What are you talking about?

	01-07-2002 23:53									#62
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I'm not seeing Asher's posts, BTW. He's on my Ignore List.

	01-07-2002 23:53									#63
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That would explain a great many things.
Keep up the great work, you're a marvelous Christian. An example for us all.

	01-07-2002 23:58									#64
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He's saying that to you the more important thing is to maintain a belief in God rather than to objectively study the subject matter.

Belief before Understanding. Faith and severe psychological attachment to this idea would make an individual incapable of letting go to a fixated idea.

	01-07-2002 23:58									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Cloud9 I'm not seeing Asher's posts, BTW. He's on my Ignore List.

Well then.

quote: More research for Cloud9: http://skepdic.com/noahsark.html http://www.langston.com/Fun_People/1993/1993ALN.html Quote: quote: The man who said he discovered the snow-covered location of Noah's Ark high on Mt. Ararat in Turkey, and who displayed what he claimed to be an ancient piece of wood from inside the ark as proof on a CBS special earlier this year, now says it was a hoax. George Jammal, an out-of-work Israeli actor living in North Long Beach, admitted in an interview this week that he made up the story to expose those who produce and broadcast what he considers to be poorly researched religious propaganda.

And as he responded to your little Mt Ararat thing:

quote: So suddenly there's two sites now? There's still only one site in question. This is nothing but pure semantics. You seem to think that unless the boat is at the summit of the mountain it's not on the mountain? The site is 12 miles from the summit, according to your site, and still on the mountain.

I suggest taking him off ignore. He's providing excellent points that would show you how silly you're being. But then again, you don't want to see that, so I guess you won't...

	02-07-2002 00:00									#66
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quote: Originally posted by CygnusZ He's saying that to you the more important thing is to maintain a belief in God rather than to objectively study the subject matter. Belief before Understanding. Faith and severe psychological attachment to this idea would make an individual incapable of letting go to a fixated idea.

Faith is the most important aspect of being a Christian.

	02-07-2002 00:02									#67
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quote: Originally posted by Cloud9 Faith is the most important aspect of being a Christian.

Faith is good, not to the point where it blinds you from the obvious facts before you though. At that point it's scary, and cultist.

	02-07-2002 00:03									#68
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Oh, I think both of you have an overabundence of faith.

	02-07-2002 00:05									#69
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I'm not even an atheist, if you're talking to me.

I'm just hard to impress and cynical to the core.

	02-07-2002 00:06									#70
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov I suggest taking him off ignore. He's providing excellent points that would show you how silly you're being. But then again, you don't want to see that, so I guess you won't...

Ming wanted us to stop arguing, and it seemed we couldn't do anything but argue, so that's why I put him on there.

12 miles from the summit? Do you realize that that is 63,360 feet? Yet the summit is only 16946 feet. Definitely not on Mt. Ararat.

People have been looking for the ark ON Mt. Ararat for a long time now, but have found nothing and have since given up.

	02-07-2002 00:08									#71
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quote: Originally posted by Cloud9 12 miles from the summit? Do you realize that that is 63,360 feet? Yet the summit is only 16946 feet. Definitely not on Mt. Ararat.

Do you have any kind of common sense at all?

You realize that mountains are not poles sticking in the air, right...

quote: People have been looking for the ark ON Mt. Ararat for a long time now, but have found nothing and have since given up.

Can someone please define at which point the "Ararat Mountain" ends, and at which point it becomes "Ararat Mountains"

	02-07-2002 00:14									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Cloud9 12 miles from the summit? Do you realize that that is 63,360 feet? Yet the summit is only 16946 feet. Definitely not on Mt. Ararat.

Did you think about this before you posted it? The 12 miles from the summit isn't vertical, it's lateral. The summit is 17,000 ft above see level, but that's a vertical distance. As Asher pointed out (see?), Mt. Ararat isn't a pole. Mountains spread out for many miles in all directions from the summit.

But you're indeed playing symantics, because the site being referenced in the link I posted is indeed the site referred to in the one you posted. And it's a hoax.

	02-07-2002 00:17									#73
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Did you think about this before you posted it? The 12 miles from the summit isn't vertical, it's lateral. The summit is 17,000 ft above see level, but that's a vertical distance. As Asher pointed out (see?), Mt. Ararat isn't a pole. Mountains spread out for many miles in all directions from the summit. But you're indeed playing symantics, because the site being referenced in the link I posted is indeed the site referred to in the one you posted. And it's a hoax.

A photograph of Mt. Ararat:

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As you can see, it covers a huge amount of surface area.

	02-07-2002 00:20									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Did you think about this before you posted it? The 12 miles from the summit isn't vertical, it's lateral. The summit is 17,000 ft above see level, but that's a vertical distance. As Asher pointed out (see?), Mt. Ararat isn't a pole. Mountains spread out for many miles in all directions from the summit.

Have you even done your research on the specifics for Mt. Ararat?

	02-07-2002 00:20									#76
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Looks like you've helped prove my point, Cloud9. 12 miles from the summit is quite feasibly on the mountain, by the look of it.

	02-07-2002 00:23									#77
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quote: Originally posted by Cloud9 Have you even done your research on the specifics for Mt. Ararat?

Have you done it on the debunking of this "discovery" as a hoax? You're swallowing anything to bolster your faith. That's not faith, that's delusion.

	02-07-2002 00:25									#78
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Have you done it on the debunking of this "discovery" as a hoax? You're swallowing anything to bolster your faith. That's ot faith, that's delusion.

That picture could be a view from the south. It could be a view from the north. The mountain may spread out to the east and the west, but not to north and the south.

If you won't do your research, then I will.

	02-07-2002 00:29									#79
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quote: Originally posted by Asher That would explain a great many things. Keep up the great work, you're a marvelous Christian. An example for us all.

I wouldn't say that this is about him being a christian at all - it's about him being naive.


And before you say it ( ), no not all christians/religous people are naive, and not all naive people are religous.

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Cloud9, you're the one who is asserting it isn't on the mountain, so it's your research to do.

I don't care if it is or isn't on the mountain, because whichever it is happens to be irrelevant to the link you provided about the Ark. That supposed discovery has been debunked. There isn't another one, that's it.

	02-07-2002 00:51									#81
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov There isn't another one, that's it.

The TV program that I watched showed that there is another site. And guess what? The other site was actually ON Mt. Ararat. I'm betting that this is actually the site you are referring to. To prove it, I'm going to do research into the name of your site and the name of my site to see if their different.

	02-07-2002 00:52									#82
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I love how he dismisses Boris' debunk because he claims it's talking about something else, when it clearly specifically mentions Cloud9's article about the site he's mentioning...

	02-07-2002 01:07									#83
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quote: Originally posted by Asher I love how he dismisses Boris' debunk because he claims it's talking about something else, when it clearly specifically mentions Cloud9's article about the site he's mentioning...

Some children have selective hearing, this one has selective reading...

	02-07-2002 03:01									#84
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Isn't it obvious? The Kurdish guerrillas carved it, photographed it and sent it out so that they could kill more archaeologists and call for attention.

	02-07-2002 03:09									#85
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As a casual observer of this thread it appears to me that the article that Boris posted does not refute the information contained in the web site that cloud9 referred to. There is in fact a reference made to the earlier account and the fake wood etc. on the site cloud9 referred to.

	02-07-2002 05:05									#86
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quote: Originally posted by Lincoln There is in fact a reference made to the earlier account and the fake wood etc. on the site cloud9 referred to.

Where exactly can I find this, Lincoln?

	02-07-2002 05:16									#87
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Here is another picture of Mt. Ararat. As is cleary shown, Mt. Ararat is connected to at least one other mountain in the region:

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	02-07-2002 05:17									#88
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If anyone wants to own their very own piece of Noah's Ark just mail me $10 and I'll send you a genuine Noah's Ark splinter.

You'll be the envy of all your religious dingbat friends.

	02-07-2002 05:20									#89
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http://www.wyattnewsletters.com/articles/bythywords.htm

The above concludes that the so called 'hoax' was a lie just to try and throw everybody off. Pathetic!

BTW, did ya'll know that I'm an investigator? I work for the FBI (Firm Believers In Christ)!

	02-07-2002 05:50									#90
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Nothing pleases me more than to show wacko religious nuts interfighting:

http://www.tentmaker.org/WAR/

And here is a devout Christian analyzing your friend Wyatt's claims:

http://www.tentmaker.org/WAR/HasNoahsArkBeenFound1.html
http://www.tentmaker.org/WAR/HasNoahsArkBeenFound2.html

Another Christian geologist:

http://www.tentmaker.org/WAR/BoatShaped.html

Wyatt is a liar, and you've bought his lies hook, line and sinker.

Your FBI must really mean Foolish Believer In anything