01-07-2002 21:40									#1
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...fghan_bombing_3

Sometimes I wish we didn't have such powerful weapons.

	01-07-2002 21:57									#2
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CNN is citing officials as saying it was an "errant bomb."

Uh-huh...

	01-07-2002 21:58									#3
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Well, "errant" can be taken two ways. Errant in the malfunction sense and errant in that it hit the target but our targeting was errant.

	01-07-2002 22:01									#4
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yeap, the AI of the bomb went nuts. not a human error, just a bug

	01-07-2002 22:03									#5
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This is not good for PR or for the heroic effort against terror in Afghanistan.

Why do people fire guns in the air at weddings? I'de think the government would warn them. Or we should..

	01-07-2002 22:03									#6
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**** like this shouldn't be allowed to happen

We rely to much on 'computer errors' not occuring.

	01-07-2002 22:03									#7
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CNN's saying B-52 and AC-130 gunships were called in for air support after some US planes came under AAA fire.

One of the possible scenerios is anti-aircraft fire falling back to the earth.

	01-07-2002 22:05									#8
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Wait a minute, now they say its possible AAA flak coming down could of done it. The army did confirm what fired was AA...there investigating it

	01-07-2002 22:07									#9
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Anti-aircraft? While I don't know enough to judge, it just strikes me as unlikely.

	01-07-2002 22:07									#10
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gunfire at weddings could have been expected. hell, you should listen to the canonade at our weddings (and i hate it...)
those afghan people really do not have their share of luck...whenever you think 'what next'...there it goes

	01-07-2002 22:11									#11
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You live in Serbia LR?

	01-07-2002 22:12									#12
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lets assume some gunfire at the wedding

what sort of response leaves 120 people dead????

	01-07-2002 22:13									#13
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CNN says 4 deaths right now, MSNBC says 250, the real number is probably inbetween

	01-07-2002 22:20									#14
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yes faded

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what's wrong with this text?

quote: Afghans often fire guns in the air during weddings and other celebrations. An AC-130 gunship, a B-52 bomber and other aircraft were involved in the air strikes.

fire guns vs b-52???

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/wo...000/2079565.stm

	01-07-2002 22:28									#16
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B-52 + AC-130s are common when any kind of air support is needed. When they call for air support (for any aircraft/people under fire), the B-52 + AC-130s are called.

	01-07-2002 22:32									#17
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quote: Originally posted by LaRusso yes faded

Always wanted to ask what it was like during the 72 days of NATO bombing...

Since I did not support the Operation and bombing in Serbia to the extent it happened, I did support expeling of the Serb army from Kosovo. I still think clinton was "Wagging the dog" on that one.

	01-07-2002 22:33									#18
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG what's wrong with this text? quote: Afghans often fire guns in the air during weddings and other celebrations. An AC-130 gunship, a B-52 bomber and other aircraft were involved in the air strikes. fire guns vs b-52??? http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/wo...000/2079565.stm

You're making the assumption that it was indeed small arms gunfire, and not anti-aircraft fire they were supposed to be targetting.

	01-07-2002 22:34									#19
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well, when you want a 'little boy', you gotta bring in the big planes

	01-07-2002 22:37									#20
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faded, i was in hungary during the bombing. it was not pretty for those who were here but it is a hearsay if i tell it. thanx for asking anyways. serbs are suckers for compassion

	01-07-2002 22:43									#21
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Where are all the terror supporters? No one cries "massacre"? Why dont I see tens of Arab spokesmen on the international news channels calling Bush a war criminal and demanding a trial in the hague?

Oh, there are no Jews to blame here. Sorry, I forgot.

	01-07-2002 22:44									#22
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Saint Marcus will be here shortly Eli.

	01-07-2002 22:46									#23
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The pilot of the AC-130 was jewish.


Eli nobody except Europe *****es about percieved "Massacres" in Israel. I expect the same *****ing to come our way after the Euro's wake up.

	01-07-2002 23:03									#24
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Damn, what a cluster****.

-Arrian

	01-07-2002 23:27									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Kyle You're making the assumption that it was indeed small arms gunfire, and not anti-aircraft fire they were supposed to be targetting.

this is amazing

Reuters

quote: At least 30 members of an Afghan wedding party were killed and many more wounded when a U.S. plane bombed a village in the central province of Uruzgan on Monday, Afghan officials and residents said.

CNN

quote: The U.S. military said Monday an unknown number of civilians had been killed after coalition aircraft dropped bombs in an area around Tarin Kowt in southern Afghanistan.

so CNN doesnt have any people in Afganistan and has Pentagon as it's only source?

	01-07-2002 23:59									#26
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Well, I'd like to wait for the investigation to see whether there was a problem with the bomb or if the pilot simply bombed the wrong place.

And Afghan residents and officials aren't always the best of sources.

	02-07-2002 01:00									#27
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Yes our news said it was some kind of accident when they came under AA-fire. Then one things what kind of AA does afghanistan have now (taliban). Hardly any stingers if at all. The most likely would be 23mm, which are almost toys and for close combat like, range being appx 2.5km effective. i find it hard to believe that there would be a regiment of those guys there waiting planes. In any case recon has failed miserably because planes flew over them. What happened after engaging, who knows.. But still with their capacity in weapons this sounds like a bad bad bad mistake. Did the pilot panic? Why did he launch that bomb on the way? Was it a mailfunction? We'll just have to wait for investigation.. I'd like to know why they flew over AA. What failed in there... too bad though.. mistakes happen.

	02-07-2002 01:00									#28
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Wow, it didn't take long for the local anti-Arab troll to comment. Never mind that the Afghans for the most part aren't Arabs.

What's wrong with you Eli? 'Poly usually has a positive effect on people, but you've started to sound like a bigot lately.

	02-07-2002 02:58									#29
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yes, that was an unnecessary troll.
please note that none of the europeans resorted to trolling. not that there was no material for that

	02-07-2002 03:00									#30
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quote: Originally posted by LaRusso please note that none of the europeans resorted to trolling. not that there was no material for that

My point exactly.