02-07-2002 22:23									#1
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I have searched the forums (well the two most recent pages anyway...:rolleyes:) and to my dismay I found no Socialist Parties in the fair nation of Apolytonia. So, dispite being a brand new member of these forums, and a therefore brand new member of this game, I have decided to use my, rather meagre skill, but quite good of Civ3 and set up a party myself. Though I don't intent to run for President (I am honest to myself in that I cannot afford the time, and do not have the skill) but rather to organise and gather a group of fellow Reds for the rights of the workers. The USACS or "Oosacks" stand for expansion, submission and freedom to continent. We stand for a Republican or Communist form of government enabling our soldiers to subdue any non-believers whilst being able to give them the best technology for the task. We believe that luxury and science should take precedence over money.




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	02-07-2002 22:27									#2
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BURN THE COMMIES!!!!!!!!!!

sorry, couldn't resist

Why would there be a Socialist Party? As we have no domestic policy in the same way real governments do, it could only be a pro-Communist government party, and Communism isn't nearly as good in Civ3 as it was in Civ2.

	02-07-2002 22:36									#3
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Well, it's only a name really, and Communism can be useful for late game wars, and conscription. A mor ein game response would be this

"I have no idea, but it just came to me in my mind. I saw everyone with an equal amount of bananas, not the god bananas going to the rich and the bad left to the poor to sqaubble over, and I though, this is wrong"

A bit of Roleplay would enhance this game to no end I think, though it shouldn't be obligatory. Also I want to form an opposition to the Capitalists, as I think, get techs, sell techs at high profit for money, allowing more for luxuries, less troops needed for military police and less trade goods needed, allowing us to field a bigger army. But that's just me.

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	02-07-2002 22:36									#4
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Hmmmn, I'm interested but could you expand a bit on actual policies?

Would the party stand for general efficiency in all aspects of the game, such as not wasting worker moves.

Would the party stand for an extensive and imperialist military and for rapid expansion?

How ould this party differ from other parties.

	02-07-2002 22:36									#5
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Cool man!

Cool Emblem

	02-07-2002 22:42									#6
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Roleplaying, however, cannot be directly applied to the game, and since the other parties actually have strong game agendas, this party is kind of pointless.

	02-07-2002 22:42									#7
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Yes it would. Workers cannot be allowed to waste moves whilst we have few around. I would suggest building and using workers in local areas, to farm, mine and road there areas, with district leaders under the Minister in control, but following the will of the people. Also inter-regional workers would road the ways between cities and help out otherwise. Another difference would be a lesser focus on taxes. You can get money from selling techs, and when there's forced labour, you only need it for upgrading units and espionage. Also as aI said above more luxuries from tax money meas less trade goods that *need* to be attained and more Science s always a good thing. Also it's just another political party to make the game more interesting. Also, this party isn't afraid of mass concription either, as long as the people are all leading a good banana filled life. It's not really an Ancient Era party, but we would become more active in the Medievil and Industrial Eras once our great civilisation has expanded and has the Americans and French under our enlightened rule.

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	02-07-2002 22:45									#8
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As listed above we do have policies my friend, and isn't that game about enjoyment anyway? We have policies and can expand them once we have more members (anyone interested in actually joining?)

The emblem is a Soviet propaganda poster, one of the reasons I made the party is that the posters IMO look damed cool!

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	02-07-2002 22:52									#9
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IMNSHO, this party's not going to do very well.

	02-07-2002 23:00									#10
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As long as we have fun and don't harm others it will be good enough for me. I will not bother with ful fledged polocies without gaining any interest, else I waste my time. Some have already stated interest, and I have expanded upon my ideas. The regional workers for example.

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	02-07-2002 23:03									#11
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IMVRO, you are right .

	02-07-2002 23:07									#12
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Questions:

Do you support moving out of our starting location through conquest?

How much say, in general, should the people of the Demo-Game have a say in our government?

If you were in a position to build up, or expand more through conquest, what would you do? (i.e. do you favor military expansion, or homeland development?)

	02-07-2002 23:31									#13
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First of all, I am listening. I want to hear more on this. More Roleplaying would be nice.

quote: expansion, submission and freedom to continent. We stand for a Republican or Communist form of government enabling our soldiers to subdue any non-believers whilst being able to give them the best technology for the task. We believe that luxury and science should take precedence over money.

Well, first, a Republican form of Government does not allow for MP's, so that should probably be replaced by Monarchy?

Would this party join in with the UFC? At least for now, anyway?

	02-07-2002 23:38									#14
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The UFC, imo, are more like Fascists than Communists.

	02-07-2002 23:57									#15
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lol a socialist party that wants lower tax rates.

But seriously if this party is going to get anywhere it needs a strong and influencial leader some one close to being a dictator. (not me).

Suggested possible long term agendas
Victory by domination
Extensive land development
Less emphasis on culture and more on power through millitary
Emphasis on production rather than food or trade
Achiving millitary superpower status quickly

	03-07-2002 00:54									#16
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Hmm, thanks for the feedback. You say

quote: The UFC, imo, are more like Fascists than Communists.

but who said we couldn't turn National Socialist (like the Nazi Party were) That would support dictatorship and still allow for large military On a more serious note we wouldn't roleplay anything like the concentration camp ideas or be racsist out of ame context (e.g: not proclaiming things againt real world religion, but perhaps against those who eat their bananas when they have brown spots rather then my preferance, with slight green tinj (tingch? A word I cannot spell... odd) at the ends )

quote: IMVRO, you are right .

Who my or Skywalker?

In answer to your questions, we would follow the will of the majority, but I feel we should relocate our capital to a more suitable central location, but named suitably, not with a Yankee or French name

The people of the democracy game shold be allowed to express their views on anything, and hold polls at anytime (I would suggest an ammendment to the Constitution allowing polls to be carried out whenever, but only the latest can be used to support an argument, as long as it is not spam) If they disagree with an action, they can express it and suggest alternatives. Basically I would try and preserve the current system but try and imporve it if any ideas come along.

In a position in which I could either build up on the "Home Front" and improve Apolytonia, or I could subdue a lesser civilisation. I must say I could not know until the situation arises, things such as geography and the current military status of Apolytonia would be major factors on this (My God, am I talking like a politician now?) however I think would try and do both. Building a force capable of subduing the neighbours nearest cities, sending the force off onit's way and then building up the "Home Front" with scientific or happiness buildings. Though I will have to see a situation like this arise beofre I can say for sure (ATM, I say all out war on America then build up the rest of it whilst moving on France)

Yes, yet more of my talk is to come!

quote: Suggested possible long term agendas Victory by domination Extensive land development Less emphasis on culture and more on power through millitary Emphasis on production rather than food or trade Achiving millitary superpower status quickly

On these agendas, they pretty much fit the bill. Victory through Alpha Centuari, Military or Domination would be the targets (remember I'm a pro-science person) Extensive land development, yes, build a city on a very fertile area and churn out workers!
Less on Culture more on military, not my usual style but yes, military comes first, but culture wouldn't be excluded, especialy not Lbraries and Universities.
Emphasis on Production, we are Indutrious (are we not?) we get good sheild bonuses later, especially on War-Time economy, and we should build those mines now! But irrigation is important for good use of these mines. Roads would be build to link cities, and then to gain the trade bonuses on every tile.
Military Superpower Status, yes, but we'd need Marshals for Divisions of the army if it got large. I'm used to hvaing small forces, and it could get tedious submitting orders for the entire force!

I hope this answers your questions, if you have any more, I'm happy to answer (I actually enjoyed writing that, ask more questions! )

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	03-07-2002 01:09									#17
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the kids 15, and he's making a mockery of socialism / communism.

i actually smiled when i saw the thread title, but now i'm deeply saddened.

EDIT: and his last post is just a generalized glazing over of all the objectives case pink basically covers... i wish i had a :sigh: smiley...

	03-07-2002 01:27									#18
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Initially, I was interested, but the agenda is so far to the left its closer to the right than anything else. Now, don't play these I'm a leftist games, those of us on the left see through it. Though I wish you well in your endeavor.

I suggest you review the UFC's agenda, it may be more up your alley, very similar to yours in many ways...seriously.

15, I was wondering how a Brit could beat up their own language so well.

Now, I must get back, I'm approaching Paris...hmmmmm...the smell of perfume and wine floats in the air. I have not met her (Paris) and already I miss her (see Case Pink).

	03-07-2002 01:39									#19
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Pevonian, you should pocket this party idea until later in the game when we get Communism, then the party will have a point. Workers of the World, Unite!

This is the only post I've had in a few days. Sorry, I've been busy adding like 60 units to my mod. I'll be back in full force soon.

	03-07-2002 01:44									#20
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quote: Originally posted by jdjdjd Initially, I was interested, but the agenda is so far to the left its closer to the right than anything else.

These are my thoughts EXACTLY

quote: Now, don't play these I'm a leftist games, those of us on the left see through it.

This guy isn't leftist, I don't care what he says ...

Heck, I think the DIA fits the "communist" bill more so than this platform, he is already talking of switching over to fascist policies.

quote: Though I wish you well in your endeavor.

Same here. And Mr jdjdjd is right btw, the UFC would be right up your alley.

	03-07-2002 02:52									#21
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Mr. Pevonian, sir, mean you to throw aside our patriotism, our nationalism, and greatest of all, our imperialism to become a group of poor, starving drones fit only to plump up the sod? Sir, though it is obvious that you have spent much time and energy into constructing this party of yours, I must tell you that you are wrong in wanting this hideous atrocity known as Communism...which doesn't even exist yet, anyway...to dominate our way of life here in the great country and empire of Apolytonia! A terrible thing it would be indeed if this party were to gain control of our country, through some strange and unforseen means, and destroy it, as it most certainly would do. And besides, sir, the word is tinge!

Anyway...despite the wrong headedness of this party, I must say that I like roleplaying...as one would tell from reading my posts...

	03-07-2002 03:12									#22
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i think Comunism is to much of an advanced government type for such early game
And i think if we have a comunist party, we have to choose comunist as a government type in the game!

	03-07-2002 03:14									#23
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Pevonian you should move your party underground if you are to survive. It is too easy to shoot down here in the open and the anti-socialist/communist and anti-you propaganda is already rife.

In true communist style you should work in secret attempting to undermine the current authorities and gain followers untill you have sufficient support stage a bloody coup.

Or perhaps you could join the UFC and slowly change their policies to fit your agendas.

Now thats role playing

	03-07-2002 03:22									#24
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lol how funny would it be if the UFC had to carryout communist witch hunts.

	03-07-2002 03:23									#25
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quote: Originally posted by OPD In true communist style you should work in secret attempting to undermine the current authorities and gain followers untill you have sufficient support stage a bloody coup. Now thats role playing

HAHAHAHAH I Love It!

	03-07-2002 03:30									#26
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BURN HIM! BURN HIM!

	03-07-2002 03:46									#27
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A communist party should demand more happiness for the people, more food, and more culture (ok, less religion ). Its policies would be centred around the interests of the population, rather than the interests of the empire. The Party should demand this at least until it comes to power .

You seem not to have spoken with commies, or you'd know they really want to improve the situation of people, theoretically. When they say "workers of the world, unite", it means they're against war (because war kills workers for the profit of capitalists).

There's a tremendous difference between a CP which is not in charge, and a CP which is. The commies would have never successed if they thought the way you do before coming to power.

	03-07-2002 16:44									#28
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Theres a difference between a CP based on communist ideologies and a CP based on what really went on in communist states thrtoughout history.

Although a communist ideology would be against say pop rushing because they're "for the people" in reality communist parties acted in a way that would be pro pop rushing. If you ever heard of the five year plan and the gulag you'll see what I mean.

	03-07-2002 17:08									#29
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Whatever the detriminal effects of the five year plan, and their certainly were some very disturbing ones. We must keep in mind that if Stalin had not implemented them, The Russians would not even have been as ready for war as they were. Being ready for war is something that the Communists could never have been called. I personally see the five-year plan to be a perfect example of a ruthless and industrialistic government, something that this party should be striving to be.

	03-07-2002 19:00									#30
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quote: Originally posted by OPD Pevonian you should move your party underground if you are to survive. It is too easy to shoot down here in the open and the anti-socialist/communist and anti-you propaganda is already rife. In true communist style you should work in secret attempting to undermine the current authorities and gain followers untill you have sufficient support stage a bloody coup. Or perhaps you could join the UFC and slowly change their policies to fit your agendas. Now thats role playing

Wow, this is a great idea. If only I wasn't already so vocal on liberal ideals, I might have tried this myself.