02-07-2002 23:24									#1
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Why has Apolyton been so slow off and on for the past couple weeks?

I'm getting 50% packetloss when I ping the server right now...

	03-07-2002 00:33									#2
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there was 4 minute connectivity problem in our hosts' network earlier today cuasing some 80% packet loss. other than that, i havent noticed anything else today

	03-07-2002 00:42									#3
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Oh, haven't you, Markos? Odd... it can't be just me, a few other people did.

It took me 2 refreshes to get to replying to the thread. Losses with pinging. Pageload times are about 2 minutes! Of course, all other sites open as they normally do for me, so it's not me/ISP.

I've been online for straight 13 hours now, and it's a pain in the a*s to browse Apolyton today - I saw a few threads I really wanted to see, and other than that, browsing is tough. I noticed one period of relief some 7 hours ago, but other than that, it's very slow.

Page loading time for this page: 43 seconds. Ahh. The biggest I've seen today was nearing 3 minutes.

	03-07-2002 00:44									#4
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The past couple weeks there have been like 2 minute periods where Poly is totally inaccessable, and then inbetween there will be another 2 minute period with insanely high packetloss and slowness.

	03-07-2002 00:49									#5
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can you post a traceroute?

	03-07-2002 00:57									#6
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Wow, getting down to 30 second per pageload. Might be better now.
Tracing route to apolyton.net [64.246.32.51]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.0.1
2 2 ms 1 ms 4 ms ASMODEUS-v1.ip-98-1.ipasaule.info [217.199.98.1]

3 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms BAST-1.ip-96-41.ipasaule.info [217.199.96.41]
4 4 ms 3 ms 2 ms 195.13.173.157
5 2 ms 2 ms 3 ms 195.13.173.94
6 370 ms 310 ms 119 ms POS-5-1.GW7.STK3.ALTER.NET [146.188.52.101]
7 11 ms 11 ms 15 ms so-3-0-0.XR2.STK3.Alter.Net [146.188.5.37]
8 483 ms 629 ms * ge-1-0-0.TR2.STK2.Alter.Net [146.188.11.234]
9 794 ms * * so-5-0-0.IR1.DCA4.Alter.Net [146.188.5.245]
10 318 ms 357 ms 686 ms 0.so-1-0-0.IL1.DCA6.ALTER.NET [146.188.13.37]
11 467 ms 239 ms 123 ms 0.so-1-0-0.TL1.DCA6.ALTER.NET [152.63.9.194]
12 287 ms 469 ms 459 ms 0.so-6-0-0.XL1.DCA6.ALTER.NET [152.63.38.70]
13 773 ms 679 ms 629 ms POS6-0.BR4.DCA6.ALTER.NET [152.63.41.229]
14 450 ms 445 ms 589 ms p4-6-2-0.r01.mclnva02.us.bb.verio.net [129.250.9
.221]
15 643 ms 539 ms 339 ms p16-0-0-0.r00.atlnga03.us.bb.verio.net [129.250.
2.49]
16 141 ms 141 ms 209 ms ge-1-2-0.r01.atlnga03.us.bb.verio.net [129.250.5
.246]
17 552 ms 524 ms 629 ms p4-1-3-0.r00.hstntx01.us.bb.verio.net [129.250.2
.45]
18 170 ms 594 ms 468 ms ge-1-1-0.a03.hstntx01.us.ra.verio.net [129.250.3
0.216]
19 589 ms 720 ms 649 ms ge-0-0-0.a03.hstntx01.us.ce.verio.net [128.241.2
.102]
20 206 ms 195 ms 199 ms tayhou-223-37.ev1.net [207.218.223.37]
21 562 ms 649 ms 559 ms 64.246.32.51

Trace complete.
Here's mine:

	03-07-2002 01:10									#7
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well your biggest times were far before apolyton, on alter.net

	03-07-2002 01:21									#8
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Apolyton's fine right now for me. As I said, it goes in bursts.

And I did run a traceroute when it wasn't responding, and I had 80-130ms ping on all sites before it began timing out on apolyton itself.

	03-07-2002 01:43									#9
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I didn't notice anything either, but it must be just the times I'm on.

	03-07-2002 01:47									#10
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I think the last time I had problems accessing the site was before the server move... (well, Apache was down last week or so but I was FTPing then so it didn't really affect me )

	03-07-2002 12:38									#11
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I don't know if it is server-related or something else, but I am constantly having trouble with incomplete page loads. I use Netscape 4.79 at home, IE 5.x at work. Netscape seems worse, but I often have to reload before getting the whole page even with the recent version of IE.

Often hangs at a point where the dialogue says "93% of 167k" or some such. Posts with attachments seem to cause the most problems, but not necessarily the attachments themselves. Earlier this morning I tried literally 10 times to load <a href=/forums/"/forums/showthread__amp_threadid=53052&pagenumber=5"_>_It.html's a Mad Mad Scxn Game! p.5</a>, just to see if it would load once since I'd had problems yesterday afternoon.

	03-07-2002 13:25									#12
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straybow, try using the light styles and cuting off avatars, signatures and attached images
that will definately speed you up

	03-07-2002 15:31									#13
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Currently it again goes perfectly for me, I loaded this page in a few seconds. Markos: I tried pinging Apolyton during period when I could hardly access at all yesterday, and got like 40% packet loss.

Thankfully it's OK now.

	03-07-2002 16:02									#14
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What period was that?

edit: or rather why I haven't noticed the problem

	03-07-2002 16:09									#15
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For some strange reason, some people haven't noticed. Oh well, today it's again in bursts for me - from fast to average, but at least no longer too slow.

	03-07-2002 16:47									#16
	Increase the size of your Attachments

Hmm... it might have something to do with the differences in location.

	03-07-2002 18:06									#17
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I would doubt that, Solver and I live on completely different sides of the world and I haven't had any problems with any site except Apolyton.

Not everyone has experienced it because most of the time it works fine, for some reason for 1-2 minute periods it'll have huge packetloss to the Apolyton server.

	03-07-2002 18:21									#18
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Yeah, Asher is right, very different locations, same problem. Probably the Server is a little bit tricky these days.

	03-07-2002 18:44									#19
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Hmm... maybe I just don't use it intensively enough to notice (either that or I just flip through too many windows and don't notice when one lags).

	03-07-2002 19:04									#20
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I doubt it... my last load of Community forum was 117 seconds... can you not notice that kind of a delay?

	03-07-2002 19:34									#21
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I use this site very intensively and I haven't noticed anything, so my guess is that it *is* a location issue and the fact that 2 people/regions are affected is a coincidence (although oddly enough in my own tracerts verio.net is much faster than in Solver's - 100ish ms).

	03-07-2002 19:55									#22
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Wouter, I've also seen you make two posts in a row in the staff room, also post here... lucky you. It's incredibly slow here... not connection fault, I also dialed the modem, and got the same thing.

This thread loaded in 243 seconds! New record! Fu*k it.

	03-07-2002 20:01									#23
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See, it must be a location thing or something, because I'm not having any problems while you at the same time have the crappiest times one could imagine...

2.383 seconds for me BTW

	03-07-2002 20:10									#24
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I asked Ming, the lucky man has 1.5-2 seconds. You bastards .

I sent Markos a private message in the shortest way, 2 minutes. Now when I get a reply, it will take me 5-6 minutes to read it .

200 seconds.

	03-07-2002 20:12									#25
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Another burst now, of relative quickness . (70 seconds)

BTW I checked how fast can I download. Started download of a 600 MB file, speed: 900 KB/s usual stuff. It's only Apolyton.

	03-07-2002 20:15									#26
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quote: I doubt it... my last load of Community forum was 117 seconds... can you not notice that kind of a delay?

-I could theoretically miss such a delay, but I doubt it. (Remember, I use multiple windows, and generally switch right after posting, so if the window I'm currently using isn't the one that's experiencing delays, I might not notice. Right now I have one window for OT, and one for Apolyton/Community and Other Games (i.e. the Increased Postcount Initiative).

	03-07-2002 20:22									#27
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This page loaded in 3.765sec.

	03-07-2002 20:23									#28
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And 1.392 for the second page. (ack... that's fast enough to run into the no two posts in 30 seconds rule. The second time today, though last time it was in two different threads.)

	03-07-2002 21:28									#29
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It's not a location thing because I've done traceroutes when it lags horribly, and everything checks out perfectly fine until the 16th and final hop, to the actual apolyton.net server. Half the packets get lost usually, the other half have like 700ms ping.

It's just the server wonking out occasionally.

I haven't had the slowness problem like Solver's having though, so that may be specific...It's an "all or nothing" type thing for me. For 2 minutes a couple times a day the server will just drop all/most packets, then be fine again right after.

	03-07-2002 21:32									#30
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Odd... maybe apolyton doesn't like you.