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if you checked the page you'd see that foreign names are in english
what more do you need? you dont believe me that the page is what i say it is?
if not, there is no reason to continue this discussion.....

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panag, as i said, that list is for every victim of terrorim that has been killled in greece. for example, in 2 or 3 incidents that were not claimed by any greek group, the terrorists have been described by bystanders as "mideastern"


hi ,

, okay , yes , ....

what about Cyprus , ....is it counted here as Greek , ...

the courtcase against N17 is going to be something , ....

what about the acts from the groups and people that cross in to Greece using mount "Grammos" , ....
are those acts listed as acts of terror , ....?
they should be !

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Just to enlighten us all, what are the objectives of N17?
it's been some time since i've read one of their proclamations(their last act was actually 2 years ago)

imagine yet another socialist utopia

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quote:
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what about Cyprus , ....is it counted here as Greek , ...
cyprus not counted in

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what about the acts from the groups and people that cross in to Greece using mount "Grammos" , ....
are those acts listed as acts of terror , ....?
they should be !
cross in and do what?

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cyprus not counted in

cross in and do what?


hi ,

steal , mured and other stuff , ....
Simitis put them on buses ones , newt day they where back , ....

however putting their name on the table might bring a heavy discussion on the table , ....


and as for more info on the terror in Greece , www.fas.org , ...

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But there's a gap in this pattern. We should devote similar attention to the longest series of unsolved anti-American terrorist attacks in the world - those in Athens. This problem will assume critical urgency with the approach of the 2004 summer Olympics scheduled for Athens.


DinoDoc,
It's the same propaganda about Olympic Games, if US companies run the "security" tasks and how much they can protect all over athletes from terrorists.
Ok, you are right! You think that Greece is the most terrible country, because Greece never had the lack of an "Ocklahoma", Atlanta Olympic games or 9th September.
Yes, you are right: it is obvious that we don't belong in this New Order of things because we remain the most secure country in the EU (Eurostat: the country with the less suicides, thieves and murders).
Also, the Whasingon Post remains the newspaper with many articles every week against Greece. Every official of State Of Department has an opinion about 17N. But isn't strange that the SAME people are going to Greece often (as CIA and FBI support) to Greek Authoritirs?
WHY THESE GUYS NEVER TOUCH A MEMBER OF 17N? Maybe DinoDoc, maybe (again) they have a Satellite watch conclusion..... (same problems maybe when they are trying to ... catch OBL???)

DinoDoc, the problem with people like you is that you don't learn something about history.
That's why you can't explain simply things: 17N active like RAF (Germany) or Italians terrorist. Germans and Italians terrorists have been catched after they 've done a BIG mistake.
About mistakes and 17N, read something to achive your knowledge! (Tonight, with FULL aim from Scotland Yard and German police, Greek police invates inside the base of operations of 17N)!
Read:
http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europ....n17/index.html

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hi ,

Mark can you bring this page here so the others can read it to , ...?

www.fas.org/irp/news/2001/12/nov17.html

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steal , mured and other stuff , ....
Simitis put them on buses ones , newt day they where back
you're talking about illegal immigrants
they are not terrorists!

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quote:
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steal , mured and other stuff , ....
Simitis put them on buses ones , next day they where back
you're talking about illegal immigrants
they are not terrorists!


hi ,

actually about organized groups of Albans , ...

what is the definition of a terrorist , someone who puts terror to others , ....when you murder people , steal , rape , plant bombs to injure borderguards , ....is that not a form of terror , ...?

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if you checked the page you'd see that foreign names are in english


The page doesn't look like it contradicts my source, Mark.

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This propaganda doesnt touch us

17N has killeda bunch of americans and others.

Olympic security will not be organized by america private companies despite the "pressure"

And now we make important steps in cathcing it.

I will remember that when history was being made in modern Greece, you moneypenny, embarged in a propagandistic, trolling spree.

US will never be safe from me again on these forums

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I will remember that when history was being made in modern Greece,


You mean that you finally saw fit to do what you should have done years ago. Good for you.

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What Greece has done through the years?

Yoy claim that Greece has killed CIA, Diplomatc and Military americans with impunity?

Well we are indeed cool if we did that


I'll wait with impatiance to see if fireworks are all that will blow up today in the US

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about the "reknowned and excellent newspaper" washington times


official answer

Twice in the past several weeks, "The Washington Times" has published paid advertisements in its op-ed pages, which, with their scurrilous and deceitful content -- made even more misleading by the sensationalist typography -- have made damaging accusations against Greece.

We reject the anonymous accusations of these advertisements that Greece is failing to combat and even is "sponsoring" terrorism. This is a campaign which, for reasons of their own, has been pursued by a few named American critics who have been responsibly answered by Greece and by high-level American officials who have publicly welcomed Greece's intensive and cooperative efforts in the war against terrorism. These efforts include close working relationships with the FBI and Scotland Yard.

We have no complaint with the publication of criticism from named individuals or from recognized organizations with a known agenda. Our complaint here is with the decision of a newspaper to publish the false and damaging slurs of persons unknown who identify themselves anonymously as, in one instance, "Greek Americans Against Terrorism", and in another as "A Concerned Greek American".

By hiding behind such signatures, any person, organization or even government seeking for whatever reason to inflict damage on Greece, can pursue their misinformation without fear of being identified or of being responsibly answered.

Even if freedom of the press allows, but does not require, newspapers to publish such advertisements, it is our strong belief that the publication of such anonymous materials is not in the best interest of your newspaper, its readers or of journalism itself.


http://www.greekembassy.org/press/p...mes_Letter.html


about terrorism I let Bush speak. true he is incompetent in that regard but so that you know where your attacked by all government stands on the issue


PRESIDENT BUSH: Well, thank you, Mr. Prime Minister. Listen, we're so honored you're here. Thank you so much for coming to America.

There's a huge number of Greek Americans who live in our country, who still have got great fondness for their -- for the -- for your country.

I am most appreciative, sir, of your strong stand against terror. You have been -- you have been a friend in our mutual concerns about routing out terror around the world, and I want to thank you for that very much.


Bush as always screws up his speech. better than the US fight against terrorism in any case


http://www.greekembassy.org/press/p...mes_Letter.html

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i think this is called "eating you own words"

you look like you have just fallen off a tall building

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If you are going to respond to me, at least try to answer the points raised in the thread rather than erecting your own strawmen and knocking them down while pretending you actually made a valid point.

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Re the Bush quote: I can point out quotes that mention that the Saudis are allies in the WoT and we know what BS that is.

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coming from you that's rich.

what points? falsehoods and propaganda?

try to answer that it was the CIA which orchastrated the attacks on WTC while you're at it

it is of the same level of "intelligence"


I am happy I live in the country with the lowest crime in the EU while you are scared sh!Tless from new terrorist attacks


Re to Bush: By comparing Greece with Saudi Arabia you demonstrate yet again your level of argumentative aptitude

I think you are turning paranoid from all these terrorist attacks and threats in the US.

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coming from you that's rich.


Fallacy #1

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try to answer that it was the CIA which orchastrated the attacks on WTC while you're at it

it is of the same level of "intelligence"


Fallacy #2

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I am happy I live in the country with the lowest crime in the EU while you are scared sh!Tless from new terrorist attacks


Irrelevent statement.

Edit: I never compared Greece to Saudia Arabia. I pointed out the relevence statements of being an ally without further analysis.

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hmm seems you have run out of things to say....

try not to be so paranoid, i know the US is on target by some of the world's most fearsome terrorists, but do try to keep some dignity

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And it is high time you also as everybody else admitted the kick ass character of17N which has killed as many US officials as it pelased without problems

and also congratule the Greek police for getting rid of it.

I have told you that as the german ambassador has said all that was in need was some minor luck.

I wish you good luck in solving your terrorist problems but it does not seem likely. what with half the wolrd at your throats and for good reason according to some...

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Just to enlighten us all, what are the objectives of N17?


#1 to instigate the people to revolt and form a communist/socialist society

#2 to get Greece out of NATO and the EU

#3 to ridicule americans and westerners

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Now I'm wondering whether this could have a connection to whatever paiktis & co. are going to do with those apaches & blackhawks? Very sinister indeed ...

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except that it is our apache and blackhawks

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I have told you that as the german ambassador has said all that was in need was some minor luck.


"It's no wonder 17 November has been dubbed one of the world's most elusive terrorist organizations. It's being chased by incompetent, unprofessional police."

"It's not that Greece has the world's worst terrorist problem. It's that Greece has the world's worst counterterrorism problem."

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false

17N is 10 times what the Red Brigades were.

I take the word of Greece and then German ambassador whose house was bombed, US officials instead of some article which doesnt know better


17N never threatened Greeks BTW.


Good luck today

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17N is 10 times what the Red Brigades were.


Exaggeration designed to mitigate the repeated faliures of your police force.

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There is not even one operational failure of Greek police in regard to 17N.

There were shortcomings sure, but they were taken care of in the '80s when we cleaned Greece from all islamists wanting to use it as a gateway to Europe.


And 17N is 10 times Red Brigades. It never threatens Greek people though because it wants them in its side.


Germany, Italy, France have the same history with Action Directe, Red Army Force and Red Brigades.

They just like to kill americans for some reason

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I'm still waiting for the "Thank you Greece for tackling the problem while we are completely dufucated in dealing with our american ones which are 10000s times worst"

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quote:
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There is not even one operational failure of Greek police in regard to 17N.


You are a country with a population around 11 million. You have a police force numbering around 50,000 people. Before this week's events, you knew that 17N members circulated within an area smaller than Central Park. Despite all that, the Americans have made more progress against Al-Qaeda, a worldwide threat, than the Greek police have made against 17N in over 2 decades.

 
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