04-07-2002 17:53									#31
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was there a temporary rift in the space/time continium?

Happy 4th of July Monneypenny...

	04-07-2002 18:04									#32
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BTW when you lapsed in the worm hole you forgot to give the Greek government your heartfelt Thanks and your enthousiastic congratulations for dealing with the 17N.

So I'm waiting now...

*taps foot*

	04-07-2002 18:13									#33
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Dinodocs defense to allegations of American warcrimes:

But they did it too!!


Two wrong make a right, but only in America.

	04-07-2002 18:21									#34
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they have done a lot of crimes for which the responsibles must pay.

but not pay like Osama is doing.

Pay in a civilized manner.

	04-07-2002 18:22									#35
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SM, shut your hole... without America, your family probably would have been exterminated by the Third Reich. So show some respect. Sure, some America leaders have made some questionable decisions. But they did what they thought was right at the time for the greater good. I doubt you could run a country, so cut them some slack.

	04-07-2002 18:24									#36
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paiktis, you better stop with your general anti-American trolling. You can't hold the entire country responsible for what the rich corporations and right-wing are responsible for (imperialism). By being blatantly Anti-American, you are alienating all Americans, not just the bad ones.

	04-07-2002 18:25									#37
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I know but what else can I do?

	04-07-2002 18:27									#38
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think of it like that, the people who did all these crimes were people like dinodoc...

so no harm done to the others

	04-07-2002 18:28									#39
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Paiktis, Great job! I will have to save this thread for the future...
Have you read "Killing Hope: U.S. Military and CIA
Interventions Since World War II" by William Blum?

You can read a few chapters free at http://members.aol.com/bblum6/American_holocaust.htm

This book is not very popular with the US regime. In fact they register all visitors to above mentioned site with the FBI as 'enemies of the state'. Guess I can forget any trips to the US now...

Markos: Doonesbury cracks me up every time, too bad itīs all true...

	04-07-2002 18:31									#40
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DD isn't running the government... Rip on Bush and the Republicans all you want... I won't even mind Clinton bashing, but don't lump all Americans into DD's conservative category. We are all like him.

	04-07-2002 18:33									#41
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Kamrat X thank you.

And thank you for the link!!!!!

I will get that book.

It seems to deal with Greece too.

I cant believe a person from the country of the worst terrorists and of many murders would even dare talk about Greece thats why i was pissed off.
Especially when it is more and more apparent that the US messed with Greece too.

	04-07-2002 18:33									#42
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Anyone got the address of this school, and the legal ramifications of my joining?

	04-07-2002 18:35									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Sava SM, shut your hole... without America, your family probably would have been exterminated by the Third Reich. So show some respect. Sure, some America leaders have made some questionable decisions. But they did what they thought was right at the time for the greater good. I doubt you could run a country, so cut them some slack.

Yeah, right The same US that waited 2 years before declaring war on Nazi-Germany. And thatīs only because they were attacked by Hitlers ally Japan. The US wouldīve been content sitting on the sideline like they did in WWI.

The situation in Germany was obvious from 1933. If you wanted to see what was going on that is...

	04-07-2002 18:38									#44
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Kam, its not like all Americans knew what was going on back then. We didn't have CNN to watch the horror. I think it's hilarious that you are using that argument. You orignally were complaining about how the US is involved in conflicts and in places it shouldn't be, yet you are complaining about the lack of action before 1941... it must be great to be always right... playing both sides of an argument... ahhhhh... must be nice...

	04-07-2002 18:39									#45
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BTW Kamrat X,

I tried to find the recent article of an international human rightw watch about the US laws that have turned her into a virtual safe haven for the dictators and tortures it has sponsored throughout the years.

But I cant find it.

It is fairly recent news and it deals with the PRESENT.

If you come across it please let me know thanks

	04-07-2002 18:41									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Kamrat X Yeah, right The same US that waited 2 years before declaring war on Nazi-Germany.

France and the UK were the ones with the power to prevent WWII, not the US. Blame the people responsible for the rise of Nazi Germany if you must, but it isn't your favorite whipping boy.

	04-07-2002 18:44									#47
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc France and the UK were the ones with the power to prevent WWII, not the US. Blame the people responsible for the rise of Nazi Germany if you must, but it isn't your favorite whipping boy.

Kam, paiktis... you have to realize your anti-American trolling is wrong and needs to be directed at those you deem "responsible" instead of America as a whole. I hate having to agree with a Conservative!!! Don't make me do it!!

	04-07-2002 18:46									#48
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Sava, what I attack isnīt US lack of intervention in Nazi-Germany pre WWII. Itīs your "SM, shut your hole... without America, your family probably would have been exterminated by the Third Reich."-statement. This is ludicrous at best... Not to mention very arrogant

	04-07-2002 19:02									#49
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Why is it ludicrous? It's true. My family lived through the Nazis and then the Communists. Thanks to the US and the great crusade against Fascism and Communism, I live in a free country.

	04-07-2002 19:53									#50
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So you mean "show some respect to the americans of 50 years ago" then?

	04-07-2002 19:56									#51
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Sava, the Democrats are just as culpable for the American Holocaust as the Republicans.

	04-07-2002 20:05									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus Happy 4th of July to all Americans, with your hands washed in innocence, with clear conciences, and may you rest easy at night.

As well as you will with the blood on the hands from the East Indies.

	04-07-2002 20:09									#53
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Saint Marcus

	04-07-2002 20:18									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Sava Why is it ludicrous? It's true. My family lived through the Nazis and then the Communists. Thanks to the US and the great crusade against Fascism and Communism, I live in a free country.

Eh? I thought you lived in the states?

	04-07-2002 20:20									#55
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what about the people whose freedom the US stole to further its small interests?


Kamrat X, I think Sava comes from Yugoslavia.

	04-07-2002 20:27									#56
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 what about the people whose freedom the US stole to further its small interests? Kamrat X, I think Sava comes from Yugoslavia.

Does he still live there?

EDIT: Another book which I found very interesting is Howard Zinnīs "A People's History of the United States. " you can find that and other books by Prof. Zinn at http://www.geocities.com/howardzinn...line_works.html

	04-07-2002 20:31									#57
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No he lives in the US for sure. His family comes from there I think.

	04-07-2002 20:36									#58
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Thanks! Thatīs what I thought. Strange way to write though...

	04-07-2002 20:44									#59
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Thanks for the new link! (added in favorites)

	04-07-2002 20:49									#60
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GOD BLESS AMERICA
LAND THAT I LOVE
STAND BESIDE HER
AND GUIDE HER
THROUGHT THE NIGHT WITH A LIGHT FROM ABOVE