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DinoDoc
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AECCP loves Democracy
Sep 1999
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For Freedom! 
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Oh, say can you see, by the dawn's early light,
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars, through the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming?
And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there.
O say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?
On the shore, dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, now conceals, now discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines on the stream:
'Tis the star-spangled banner! O long may it wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.
And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion
A home and a country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wiped out their foul footstep's pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.
Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved homes and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heaven-rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner forever shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave! |
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Bereta_Eder
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where's the freedom of the peoples whose democracis you have overthrown?
or whose terrorist squads you have trained?
ever wondered about that? now that some say that the effects of this are starting to come back to you?
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Saint Marcus
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Scio Me Nihil Scire
Jan 1970
time: 06:20
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Unlike you, Dino and I belong to a nation it is worth being proud of. |
Indeed. The only nation to ever use nuclear weapons, Vietnam, Watergate, Enron/WorldCom/Xerox, McVeigh, highest teenage pregnancy rate in the western world, highest STD rate in the western world, one of the highest drug use rates in the western world, highest homicide rate in the western world, Bush winning the election with less votes than his adversary, etc.
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Sava
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GO GO GO!
Mar 2001
time: 23:20
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SM your trolling is starting to border on absolute lunacy. The US does not have the highest STD rate in the world, not even close. Have you forgotten about that little continent called Africa? And China, Russia, and Eastern Europe all have higher rates of STD's than the US.
As for nuclear weapons... should we have not used them and let casualty totals for invading Japan run up to well over 3 -4 million military and civilians combined? It's funny. People bash the US for using nukes, but since 1945, the death rate as percentage of population took a steep decline.
And if you want to get personal... how about the anti-semitism in Europe? THe US never set up death camps... the US was the first free nation on Earth since the ancient Republics, which BTW, sparked a chain reaction that led to the fall of the monarchies in Europe.
Face it SM, without the US, this world would be a worse place to live. Detroit Dave is right. Instead of trolling, how about you help us solve some of our problems. Either you are unwilling to be productive and intellegent, or unable.
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Dr Zoidberg
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Communist Party of Apolyton
Jan 2002
time: 06:20
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Originally posted by DetroitDave
Be more specific, genius. Outline in detail, in this or another thread, how socialism will solve the specific issues that Saint M just outlined in his last post.
You're another one who's a backseat driver. Put some of that brain power to work and lead us to the promised land, O Almighty One. |
Firstly, the benefits of socialism has been discussed extensively in numerous posts & threads, it´s not my fault you haven´t been paying attention. Do a search if you´re really that interested 
Secondly, I have no desire to lead. I only wish to point in the right direction. In the words of Albert Camus "Don't walk in front of me, I may not follow; don't walk behind me, I may not lead; walk beside me, and just be my friend."
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Dr Zoidberg
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Communist Party of Apolyton
Jan 2002
time: 06:20
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Originally posted by Sava
As for nuclear weapons... should we have not used them and let casualty totals for invading Japan run up to well over 3 -4 million military and civilians combined? It's funny. People bash the US for using nukes, but since 1945, the death rate as percentage of population took a steep decline. |
Bullshit! Japan was no threat to anybody in 1945. In fact Japan wanted to surrender in the spring of 1945. Something that the US refused. Coz you can´t nuke a country you just signed a peace treaty with
'In June and July 1945, Joint Chiefs of Staff committees predicted that between 20,000 and 46,000 Americans would die in the one or two invasions for which they had drawn contingency plans. While still in office, President Truman usually placed the number at about a quarter of a million, but by 1955 had doubled it to half a million. Winston Churchill said the attacks had spared well over 1.2 million Allies. (Barton Bernstein, "The Myth of Lives Saved by A-bombs," Los Angeles Times, July 28, 1985, IV, p.1; Barton Bernstein, "Stimson, Conant, and Their Allies Explain the Decision to Use the Atomic Bomb," Diplomatic History, Winter 1993, p.48.)'
And now you seem to have upped these numbers to 3-4 million. Jeez...
Source
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THe US never set up death camps... |
Not in Europe at least... Forgot about the indians, have we? 
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Dr Zoidberg
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Communist Party of Apolyton
Jan 2002
time: 06:20
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Originally posted by faded glory
Kamrat your full of ****. The Japs would of never given up. The attitude of the Jap soldier was to never surrender unless there emperor said. Surrender was a grave dishonour punishable in the afterlife. This was evident in the fact that only 10,000 Japanese prisoners were taken in ww2. Most jumped off cliffs or made suicidal charges. The Emperor would of never surrendured in 1945 without those A-bombs. |
You´re brainwashed, my friend... The german ambassador wrote this to Berlin on May 5 1945
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Since the situation is clearly recognized to be hopeless, large sections of the Japanese armed forces would not regard with disfavor an American request for capitulation even if the terms were hard. |
Dwight Eisenhower writes in his White House memoirs:
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Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary. ... I thought our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of aweapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at that very moment, seeking some way to surrender with a minimum loss of "face". The secretary was deeply perturbed by my attitude, almost angrily refuting the reasons I gave for my quick conclusions |
It was known the Japanese had instructed their ambassador in Moscow to work on peace negotiations with the Allies. ( The japanese code had been broken by the americans by this time) Japanese leaders had begun talking of surrender a year before this, and the Emperor himself had begun to suggest, in June 1945, that alternatives to fighting to the end be considered.
On July 13, Foreign Minister Shigenori Togo wired his ambassador in Moscow: "Unconditional surrender is the only obstacle to peace."
Why then did the US insist on these terms? (Compare this with the ultimatum given to Milosevic at Rambouillet. ) Was it because the Russians had secretly agreed (they were officially not at war with Japan) they would come into the war ninety days after the end of the European war? In his diary Secretary of the Navy James Forrestal, described Secretary of State James F. Byrnes as "most anxious to get the Japanese affair over with before the Russians got in."
Why did the US bomb Nagasaki after they´ve bombed Hiroshima? Was it because this was a plutonium bomb whereas the Hiroshima bomb was a uranium bomb? Were the dead and irradiated of Nagasaki victims of a scientific experiment? (Mengele eat your heart out!  )
Not even the fact that there were an allied POW camp 1 mile north of Nagasaki did stop the War Departments plans. They were after all, in the greater scheme of things, expendable.
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04-07-2002 20:51
1.2 million allies.... 3-4 million total casualties... I watched this on a history channel special...
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