04-07-2002 17:41									#1
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So you can bribe all of the cities!

	04-07-2002 17:47									#2
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capture the capital city

	04-07-2002 17:48									#3
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But i am asking how to bribe all cities including the capital, as a friend did, but did not tell me how!

	04-07-2002 17:58									#4
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AFAIK you can't bribe the capital even if it is the last one left

	04-07-2002 18:03									#5
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But you can get rid of its palace so there is no capital that is what my friend achieved!

	04-07-2002 18:16									#6
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... don't think so but never did any test...

	04-07-2002 18:21									#7
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My friend did!

	04-07-2002 18:24									#8
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mmmh... never heard about it!
Tonight I'll give it a try, otherwise maybe LaFayette the spylover or some other experienced player could enlighten us?

	04-07-2002 18:56									#9
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quote: Originally posted by James Adams My friend did!

Get him to prove it , if it is true. Perhaps he is just full of merde.

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quote: Originally posted by Hydey Get him to prove it , if it is true. Perhaps he is just full of merde.

I seem to remind someone had a little problem (think was Rah) once, capturing an AI undefended city before settle his first and then he had no capital at all.
But, again, never heard of someone who destroyed the palace without taking the city...

	04-07-2002 19:32									#11
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Capital cities can never be bribed.
The Palace can never be sabotaged by diplomatic action.
Military force is the only way to capture a capital.

Case closed

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	04-07-2002 20:25									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Scouse Gits Case closed SG(2)

Uoah!
I knew one of ourPerry "Civ2" Mason would have put the final word!

JA, your friend is a liar!

	04-07-2002 21:48									#13
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Not necessarily - an AI can lose its capital to barbs and then live in a capital less empire until conquered by the human player -- remember the AI always play at King and so is nowhere near as bothered by corruption etc as we are ...

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but you can't destroy the Palace without capturing or destroying the city ... CC (again)

	04-07-2002 22:27									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Scouse Gits remember the AI always play at King and so is nowhere near as bothered by corruption etc as we are ...

I'm not sure about that...I have played many games when an AI has moved its capital half a dozen times before 1AD. I had always assumed it wanted a central Palace city to reduce corruption...otherwise why bother?

ps - are you OK for Friday?

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	05-07-2002 12:03									#15
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I think the reason why the AI moves the capital is because they don't have anything left to build. When it can't expand more, it has enough units and no more improvements left to build. The palace is the only thing left to build. So many cities start building the palace, and when they finish them, their capital is moved around with only a couple of turns in between. No tactics involved.

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Yes - I'm fine for tonight (Boss permitting )

This presupposes the AI has Masonry - without it they cannot even start to build a Palace - for the militaristic civs Masonry is not a priority tech.

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[Edited to correct civ tech modifier: Masonry has base value 4 increased to 5 for civilised civs and reduced to 3 for militaristic civs]

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	06-07-2002 00:15									#17
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spies poison the capital to size 1 then boom!

	06-07-2002 01:44									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Xin Yu spies poison the capital to size 1 then boom!

Ah yes... as always, Xin comes up with a practical solution to the problem

	06-07-2002 02:20									#19
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a spy may also plant a nuke and let you take the capital with a warrior (if you have one left )

BTW Xin, did you finish WW79?

	09-07-2002 17:19									#20
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Thanks all for the replys! Thanks Xin for your solution!

	10-07-2002 10:40									#21
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La Fayette, I haven't played recently so the answer is no. I'm playing a Japanese historical game (1560-1590) made by KOEI (which also produced "the romance of the three kingdoms", if you have heard of it). Need to follow exactly what happened in history in order for an event (military coup which killed the biggest warlord) to happen. So I'm doing some readings as well.

	12-07-2002 00:20									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Xin Yu spies poison the capital to size 1 then boom!

Heh. I did that against the Zulus not too long ago. Damn shame seeing that big, fat size 24 capital Zimbabwe suffer from "mysterious" bouts of severe water poisoning, thus losing people left and right.

Gatekeeper

	12-07-2002 01:10									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Xin Yu La Fayette, I haven't played recently so the answer is no. I'm playing a Japanese historical game (1560-1590) made by KOEI (which also produced "the romance of the three kingdoms", if you have heard of it). Need to follow exactly what happened in history in order for an event (military coup which killed the biggest warlord) to happen. So I'm doing some readings as well.

When we were still using our NES boxes, we'd buy any KOEI game produced. Any of the Three Kingdom series. The G. Khan ones. There was a trading/exploring/fighting game on the High Seas. The pacific naval WWII games. Everyone was a great game.
(Our first exposure to CIV was on the NES box)

RAH

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Yes, I was surprised when I saw Civ on a NES being played by a friend's 6 or 7 year old little brother a little while after Civ2 came out.

	13-07-2002 02:55									#25
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quote: Originally posted by rah There was a trading/exploring/fighting game on the High Seas. RAH

I have played that one, 'New Horizons'. It is still hot in China after this many years. I found the quickest way to earn a lot of money at the beginning -- if you get to the store in Tripoli at 2am and buy a tax waiver, then you can go to Istanbul and buy/sell wool to make instant money since the buying and selling prices are the same and when you buy the price goes up. I still has the game on my PC and I often sit there just to repeat this scheme for 1 hour and being very rich when it is only the 3rd month into the game!

	14-07-2002 00:23									#26
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Sounds cool - is it available for download anywhere - I have certainly never seen it in the UK ...

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SG[1]: This is the second one from a game series 'koukai' (Japanese: sailing the sea) so the official name is 'koukai 2' (now koukai 4 is the newest one of the series). It was available on both PC and video game system 'super nintendo' (SNES). The SNES version is in English but the PC one is in Japanese and there are Chinese and Korean version as well.

I don't think there is a English version for PC but you can send an e-mail and ask Koei. It's English name is either 'New Horizon' or 'Uncharted Water'.

Japanese website is www.koei.co.jp and they have a branch in US www.koeigames.com. A lot of games are only available in the Japanese website.

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	14-07-2002 04:47									#28
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And this is the newest game of the series

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	14-07-2002 04:54									#29
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The 3rd of the series is in my point of view the best of the series. It came to China after the 4th for a political reason -- in the Japanese version you can trade slaves thus the game was banned in China until Koei removed slave trading (by far the most profitable commodity, after removing it some people suddenly did not know how to make money) in the Chinese version.

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	14-07-2002 05:04									#30
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These look seriously interesting - I shall look up the manufacturer etc once I sober up...

Hey Xin - why don't you join our Succession Game - we could use a seriously deviant mind to make things interesting ...

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