05-07-2002 12:16									#1
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i remember there was some talk about june patch...its still not out...
were there any clues as to when the next patch will be out?

	05-07-2002 12:34									#2
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They meant June by the... errrm, uhhhh, well... some other calendar or other.

Seriously. It'll be done when it's done. Just be glad it's being tested. Last I heard, Mike broke something. That was last week. Gotta fix it and make sure it is fixed.

	05-07-2002 13:37									#3
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broke...what?

	05-07-2002 13:46									#4
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I think we missed June

	05-07-2002 14:10									#5
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quote: Originally posted by LaRusso broke...what?

Dunno. They don't publish the dirty details. That's just what was said when he and Dan dropped by for a chat last week.

	05-07-2002 22:49									#6
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I'll take a working version over a deadline. This has been the most extensive and long lasting beta test known to man.

	06-07-2002 01:56									#7
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Does anyone have any clues to what is being included in the next patch?

	06-07-2002 02:13									#8
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mini-map
effect of commercial trait doubled
removal of all (?) hard-coding
the abilty to set which terrain can be settled, inc. the sea (!)

and other stuff I can't remember right now

	06-07-2002 02:20									#9
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I hope they do double the effect of comercial as i always play the english and as far as im concerned expansionistic and comercial are the two worst traits. Babylon actually suit my style of play but when i played with them I couldnt bring myself to destroy my homeland England, which is sad really considering its only a game!

	06-07-2002 02:55									#10
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There will also apparently be some sort of unit naming with the next patch.

quote: Originally posted by frostycreep as far as im concerned expansionistic and comercial are the two worst traits.

I think a good way to improve expansionist would be to let them build an advanced settler later in the game. The unit could have 2 moves and found cities with some basic improvements (aquaduct, temple). Such a unit could be good for mid/late game scavenging for land after warfare and razing.

	09-07-2002 00:01									#11
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quote: I think a good way to improve expansionist would be to let them build an advanced settler later in the game

I actually already did something like that. I changed normal settlers to require 3 food for everyone (to slow the early land grab, that works well btw). Then added a new "pioneer" unit for expansionist civs that only requires 2 food and has 2 movement and becomes available in the 2nd age (feudalism I think). Both seem to work fairly well. The only problem Ive encountered is rarely an ai will get a bad starting location and never be able to expand because they can't get to size 4, but in about half a dozen games with 16 civs in them, its only happened twice.

	09-07-2002 00:19									#12
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quote: Originally posted by wervdon I actually already did something like that. I changed normal settlers to require 3 food for everyone (to slow the early land grab, that works well btw). Then added a new "pioneer" unit for expansionist civs that only requires 2 food and has 2 movement and becomes available in the 2nd age (feudalism I think). Both seem to work fairly well. The only problem Ive encountered is rarely an ai will get a bad starting location and never be able to expand because they can't get to size 4, but in about half a dozen games with 16 civs in them, its only happened twice.

This is an outstanding modification. I've been toying with increasing the shield cost or population costs of settlers to stop the absolutely out of control land whoring (I use that word alot) by the AI (and possibly the human player). That it works well is good.

Venger

	09-07-2002 02:23									#13
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I'd make more comments about the name "june patch" except for one thing: I'm using windows 98...