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Should we have an Apolytonian Court?
This poll is closed. |
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40 |
75.47% |
| No |
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13 |
24.53% |
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53 voters |
100% |
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ThePlagueRat
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Insert banana to play...
May 2002
time: 06:20
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 OK... If this goes through, then the descriptions of this court we made in the discussion also goes through? (I can't see much description in your poll here. )
If, yea... repoll on this proposal?
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Members:
Ok, we need more than 3 members of this court.
Someone have to be able to judge constitutional matters each day. I could apply for this job, but could never keep track every day alone. I say 5 members...
Parties:
A const.court member could, without problem, be a member of whatever party he/she wants. Organization freedom is a democratic right. Biased judgement would of course be subject to prosecution by the other four... and possible punishment by the society.
Officials:
An official in an other position would not be fit to this position.
They have enough to do, anyway...
Tasks:
The most common is to help the poll creators to follow guidelines, and judge whether they are followed constitutionally, or not.
A PM should be sent to a court member by someone who suspect invalidity in a poll. (to help them keep track)
And a court member should quote the actual const. clause, in their ruling, at the actual votation.
Another important task is to clarify const. clauses and seek to change weaknesses by toghether formulate a modification proposal in a poll. (but this have to be signed by the president in that votation and polled upon by 66% to go through)
On impeachment matters, they should all play an active role in the prosecution... And of course not being the defendant's solicitors. (well, other citizens could spontanously take that role)
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...or change something first?
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LordImpact
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Earth
Jun 2002
time: 00:20
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it all looks very well thought out to me. I approve. I've changed my mind, 5 judges does sound better. However, I think only 3 should sit in on a hearing at one time. There should be a head judge who always sits in on hearing and the other 4 justices rotate. This would relieve some of the stress on the regular justices. I say three justices because 5 on a single case just seems excessive to me. Everything else in your proposed amendment looks good though. I think you or Aggie would make an excellent Head Justice.
Last edited by LordImpact on 06-07-2002 at 04:02
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Spiffor
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CPA - Evil Clone brigade
Nov 2001
time: 06:20
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Good first proposal, but...
"should judge actions from the ministers". Why so ? I don't see how an action could be revoked, except if you mean "poll".
As for the impeachment part : I am comlpetely against it. THE PEOPLE impeach as much as they want, and anyone can propose impeachment. Letting a court do this would take away some power from the people (or would give the same competence to 2 different bodies  )
Trip : before posting amendment proposals containing several features (which allows a flaed feature to be voted because the general project is good), please think about it or consult people. There is a debate in the other thread about impeachment, and you just killed it to have things your way.
I say : polls as important as this should have one feature at a time. Future polls should be about :
1. numbers of judges
2. elected or appointed ? (group poll, to know who would appoint)
3. term limit ? (group poll to know if t's in a row, in absolute number, none at all)
4 Should they have the power to impeach ?
5 Should they have the power to reformulate the constitution without altering its meaning ?
Al these questions are a legitimate debate. If you decide to bundle them all in the next (precise) poll, you'll make things your way, because you know people will vote for the much needed constitutional court.
My vote is no. We need a better poll.
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Spiffor
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CPA - Evil Clone brigade
Nov 2001
time: 06:20
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Why do we need a trial to impeach someone ? It's perfectly possible someone is blatantly incompetent and antidemocratic, while still following the rules (polls are rarely required for in-game decisions after all).
Such a person would be impeached by popular vote, but it would be impossible to sue him.
If we need a court to sue pople before we're able to impeach them, we take some power from the citizens : the power to suggest impeachment whenever they want. That's antidemocratic, meaning that is bad.
Edit : BTW, I think polls are MUCH better than "meditation" for unresolved matters. Many people did not participate to the judicial court threads, but will still vote. These are people who don't have much time to browse the forums, or who don't have anything to add to the discussion, as everything they think has been said.
Written meditation is nothing compared to a poll : people who don't post, for reasons explained above, can have an opinion on their own, without voicing it elsewhere than polls.
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LordImpact
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Earth
Jun 2002
time: 00:20
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The Impeached has a right to defend himself and to plead his case to the people. I propose that in the event of an impeachment a chat is to be held in which the judges moderate. They state who the accused is, and what they have done in order to warrant the trial. The accused can then plead his case to the people in an attempt to justify his actions. The people can also ask questions of the accused. After the trial is over a poll is set up in which the people vote on weather to remove him from office or not. Thats is all the judges should do along the lines of impeachment. Keep in mind. Impeachment by definition is a hearing. It is not the removal from office. Andrew Johnson was impeached and he won the case. he was not removed from office
Last edited by LordImpact on 06-07-2002 at 05:50
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panag
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MY WORDS ARE BACKED WITH BIO-CHEMICAL WEAPONS
Oct 2000
time: 07:20
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quote:
Originally posted by Trip
You don't want me to have a nice day Panag?  
And it's not called a Senate either!  I told you I'd get around to making this thing eventually! |
hi ,
 , oops , .... DONE , ...
, the court should be part of the senate , seven people in total , ....
think of all the work they could help the government with
and speed the game up
while you are at it , think about a type of information office or so , they could post the screenshots , gather intel , actually collect info , give info to the citizens , etc , ....
HAVE A NICE DAY 
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Trip
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Hunt Valley
Apr 2002
time: 00:20
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quote:
Originally posted by panag
HAVE A NICE DAY |
Thank you Panaaaaaaag, I feel much much better!
quote:
, the court should be part of the senate , seven people in total , ....
think of all the work they could help the government with
and speed the game up
while you are at it , think about a type of information office or so , they could post the screenshots , gather intel , actually collect info , give info to the citizens , etc , .... |
We're going to work out the kinks of what the court actually does after the amendment passes (or not )... We're brainstorming ideas in another thread.
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panag
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MY WORDS ARE BACKED WITH BIO-CHEMICAL WEAPONS
Oct 2000
time: 07:20
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quote:
Originally posted by Trip
Thank you Panaaaaaaag, I feel much much better!
We're going to work out the kinks of what the court actually does after the amendment passes (or not )... We're brainstorming ideas in another thread. |
hi ,
, maybe you should post a link , ....for the new people , ....
soon there is going to be a workload above the heads of the government , one that is huge , ....
organise and make it easier , and faster
the government should have a couple closed thread where they can brainstorm , people can read , but not post , so that you guys keep focus , ....
so you feel better from some words , not from all those boxes of banana's we send you , .....
have a nice day
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