07-07-2002 08:12									#31
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quote: Originally posted by jdd2007 no people will say that. it doesnt work that way in america, or any other country for that matter. it is close anyways...

quote: Originally posted by Trip How do you know? I know in many instances where people have just not voted because they didn't think their vote would matter. And regarding the close poll, we're talking about the acceptability of this kind of poll overall, not just this one.

Trip's right. Why do you think voter turn out in America is less than 50%?

	07-07-2002 08:14									#32
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because americans in general are lazy and stupid. do you think half of americans looked at polls, said 'george bush has three points on gore, screw that, im not voting'

	07-07-2002 08:16									#33
	Suffering from ads?

the polls were always within 5 points the whole time. that had no effect on voter turnout...

	07-07-2002 08:21									#34
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Elections are very delicate things. Mess with them at our peril.

With millions of voters... statistical significance comes into play. Evens out a lot of the bumps.

With 50 or 60 voters? Anomalies will be common. Anything that could effect the vote, other than the record, the campaign threads, and the existence of parties themselves should be stomped on.

You are right, you are free to do as you wish. We are free to do so also. The most severe punishment we mere mortals could dish out would be discommodation. That would be an almost never happen, but mucking with the elections might do it.

	07-07-2002 08:23									#35
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Actually, becuase of the fiasco in florida where news agencies kept switching beween a bush and gore victory, many people may not have voted. But you're right most americans are stupid and lazy. Most people don't vote because they think everyone else is doing it anyways so why bother. Before the last Presidential election the consensus was that Bush is a moron (which he is). Democrats didnt vote because they figured Bush had no chance of winning... I wasn't of age to vote yet, but thats why many of my friends and also my parents didn't. They're not exactly geniouses either though...

	07-07-2002 11:29									#36
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Given that there is a debate, I'll post another unofficial poll : "Should we ban unofficial opinion polls ?"
"- Group1 Yes, they should be absolutely banned
- Group1 Yes, for a time before the elections
- Group2 No, there should be opinion polls whenever we want."

This poll will make me prepare an amendment, if yes passes.

BTW, I'm sure opinions polls change elections. That's a well-known concept in political sociology, and it was shown last time in France (Jospin was too sure to be on 2nd round, and he didn't make any effort. Le Pen won the 1st round eventually).

	07-07-2002 19:58									#37
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i think this poll is a bad idea and should be discouraged

	07-07-2002 20:00									#38
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i disagree. it does no harm...

	07-07-2002 23:10									#39
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hi ,

in the end some people seem to forget what this poll is about , ........

some things have to be done , agreed , but on how and why the changes take place we can talk , ....

have a nice day

	07-07-2002 23:40									#40
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Panag :
place's changed. You can see a poll about pre elction polls here

	08-07-2002 00:21									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Panag : place's changed. You can see a poll about pre elction polls here

hi ,

thanks , , even after the thread was found

so , this thread gets closed now ,...?

have a nice day